Re: Very wrong story
- John, then I support what you are saying if it helps get Apple to understand
the opportunities that are available to them.
My company has a great development and runtime environment that runs on Mac
OS X  and fully supports the infrastructure being built around SOAP,
including Microsoft and other BigCo's *and* independent developers including
the Perl, Python, Apache, Java and Tcl communities, among many others.
The strategy is Apple's when they choose to say yes. It'll be very easy for
them when that day comes, no catching up to do, just marketing and developer
I hope we will succeed at getting their attention, and thanks for your help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fortt, Jon" <JFortt@...>
To: "'Dave Winer '" <dave@...>; "Fortt, Jon" <JFortt@...>
Cc: "Gillmor, Dan" <DGillmor@...>; "'Steve Zellers '"
<zellers@...>; "'UserLand-Internal '"
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: Very wrong story
> My point was widely misunderstood (my fault). I wasn't trying to blame the
> OS for the software's current shortcomings. What I was trying to say is
> the kind of incompatibility that arises with Quicken 2002 foreshadows the
> sort of problem that looms if .Net-like ideas take off and Apple is left
> out. Microsoft has not yet said much about the tools it will release as
> of .Net (though it has said more about the protocols it will use), so I
> guess a lot of that remains to be seen.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Winer
> To: jfortt@...
> Cc: Gillmor, Dan; Steve Zellers; UserLand-Internal;
> email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: 8/30/01 9:45 PM
> Subject: Very wrong story
> Jon, I read your story  about Quicken, and the premise for the story,
> that there's something missing in Mac OS X that prevents Quicken from
> connecting to the same services as they do in their Windows product, is
> I am one of the designers of XML-RPC and SOAP, which is the protocol
> Microsoft is using to implement .NET. I am also a Windows and Mac
> as is Intuit. There is nothing about the operating system that limits
> developers from supporting any protocols they want to, and further there
> no support in Windows today for SOAP. The responsibility for any
> deficiencies in Intuit's Mac product reflect choices made by Intuit, not
> Further, Apple is implementing both XML-RPC and SOAP in the next release
> Mac OS X. We've been working with their engineers to make sure they
> interoperate with Microsoft, UserLand (my company), IBM etc.
> Dave Winer, CEO
> UserLand Software, Inc.
>  http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/depth/mac083001.htm