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Re: [soapbuilders] Re: New feature on validator.soapware.org

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  • Court Demas
    We re working with the interop lab now and should have some results soon. [I ll shut up about the validator source now. Sorry I mentioned it.] thanks, court
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 2, 2001
      We're working with the interop lab now and should have some results
      soon.

      [I'll shut up about the validator source now. Sorry I mentioned it.]

      thanks,
      court
      http://www.idoox.com


      Simon Fell wrote:

      > Actually MS has a closed source validation service
      > http://www.soaptoolkit.com
      >
      >
      > Any chance of adding an Idoox implementation to the interop lab ? (
      > www.xmethods.com/ilab )
      >
      > Cheers
      > Simon
      >
      > On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:16:37 +0200, in soap you wrote:
      >
      > >Everybody's so sensitive around here!
      > >
      > >Dave, you've been very particular about having *everything* (every
      > >email) related to interop out in the open. It surprises me that you
      > >wouldn't want to have any validation code out in the open as well.
      > You
      > >would be raising hell if Microsoft had a closed validation service!
      > >
      > >[I thought it would be nice to see what's going on, and maybe
      > contribute
      > >more tests.]
      > >
      > >thanks,
      > >court
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >Dave Winer wrote:
      > >
      > >> Hmmm, interesting point of view. That kind of takes the fun out of
      > it
      > >> for
      > >> me. I'd prefer if releasing the code for free was considered an act
      > of
      > >>
      > >> generosity not an act of compliance. Dave
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: "Court Demas" <court@...>
      > >> To: <soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:10 AM
      > >> Subject: Re: [soapbuilders] Re: New feature on
      > validator.soapware.org
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> > In the interests of openness and fairness, I'd like to see the
      > code
      > >> > posted somewhere. A simple snapshot of the latest build would be
      >
      > >> > sufficient I believe.
      > >> >
      > >> > Without this it's hard to really trust what's going on.
      > >> >
      > >> > [And no, I'm not interested in buying validators either ;-) This
      >
      > >> stuff
      > >> > is meant to be shared.]
      > >> >
      > >> > thanks,
      > >> > court
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> > Dave Winer wrote:
      > >> >
      > >> > > Court, thanks for posting this publicly.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > First, the validator tests *are* dynamic, there's always a
      > random
      > >> > > number of
      > >> > > elements and random values, to keep people honest. I remember
      > >> reading
      > >> > > about
      > >> > > Java benchmarks a few years ago where the runtime looked at the
      >
      > >> name
      > >> > > of the
      > >> > > program running and if it was one of the benchmarks simply
      > >> returned
      > >> > > the
      > >> > > value it was looking for with no computation. I want interop to
      > be
      > >>
      > >> > > immune
      > >> > > from that kind of trickery. ;->
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Second, I probably would release soapValidator.root if there
      > was
      > >> > > demand for
      > >> > > it, but I'm not sure how much demand there is, and keeping it
      > >> updated
      > >> > > adds
      > >> > > overhead.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > You would *not* have to buy Frontier to run it, although I
      > >> wouldn't
      > >> > > mind if
      > >> > > you did, it probably would work fine in Radio, which is free.
      > >> Either
      > >> > > way
      > >> > > you'd have to learn a little about our environment to make it
      > >> work,
      > >> > > it's an
      > >> > > Algol-like language, and lots of coders have learned little
      > bits
      > >> of it
      > >> > >
      > >> > > without too much trouble.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Anyway, my concern is the overhead it would add to our tiny
      > >> company,
      > >> > > it's
      > >> > > not really part of our business to sell validators..
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Dave
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
      > >> > > From: <court@...>
      > >> > > To: <soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:36 AM
      > >> > > Subject: [soapbuilders] Re: New feature on
      > validator.soapware.org
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > Hi dave. I'm here at Idoox working on Web Services and
      > >> interested
      > >> > > in
      > >> > > > using your SOAP validator.
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > We'd like to run the validator internally, for a variety of
      > >> reasons.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > Are we required to purchase Frontier in order to do this?
      > Are
      > >> the
      > >> > > > validation scripts available?
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > Would it be possible to publish the SOAP messages that are
      > >> actually
      > >> > > > sent? Then we could test against the validator without any
      > >> > > particular
      > >> > > > scripting language installed. (Unless the tests are
      > interactive
      > >>
      > >> > > that
      > >> > > > is..)
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > thanks,
      > >> > > > court
      > >> > > > http://www.idoox.com
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > > --- In soapbuilders@y..., "Dave Winer" <dave@u...> wrote:
      > >> > > > > In response to a request by Glen Daniels, I added an
      > optional
      > >> > > > feature to our validator, that makes the readout more
      > meaningful
      > >>
      > >> > > when
      > >> > > > the server software and the toolkit are not the same.
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > http://soap.weblogs.com/validator1#changes33001
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > We try to call a handler called whichToolkit. It takes no
      > >> > > parameters
      > >> > > > and returns a struct containing the following elements, all
      > >> strings:
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > toolkitDocsUrl, toolkitName, toolkitVersion,
      > >> toolkitOperatingSystem.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > If the call works, and all the elements are returned, we
      > >> construct
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > the string in the "software" column of the readout using this
      >
      > >> > > > information.
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > In previous versions we read the HTTP header for this
      > >> information,
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > often yielding the name of the server, which is not the SOAP
      > >> toolkit
      > >> > >
      > >> > > > being used.
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > This will help us track which implementations pass the
      > >> validation
      > >> > > > test.
      > >> > > > >
      > >> > > > > Dave
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
      > >> > > >
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