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  • Gear Daddy LLC
    A little FYI on the paragliding debate! We are going to continue with litigation if necessary. At this point we are looking into recruiting a litigation
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 17 9:17 AM
    A little FYI on the paragliding debate!  We are going to continue with litigation if necessary. At this point we are looking into recruiting a litigation specialist but this cost $.  Therefore we may need to ask for financial help.  Since I figure these sports are directly related I would throw it out there. Any donations are highly appreciated, where they go at this point I don't know; but let me know if you want to help. 

    Thanks,
    Eddy Petranek 

    BTW. If you don't give a hoot, just delete! If you do, thanks & read on. It is long winded but that is the Red Tape. 

    All we want is to hike up one little section of this hill, fly the small Ridge, and a small landing zone at bottom. No more than a couple acres of land including trail access. We would do all the maintenance and trail care. Nothing else is needed and the trails already exist and going on 35years old. Plus the area that IFG cares about is the back section only, nothing to do with our area at all. 


    Begin forwarded message:

    From: "JOHN A KANGAS" <j_kangas@...>
    Date: March 16, 2011 10:30:12 PM MDT
    Subject: Crow Gliding Update for March16, 2011

    Hello, this is John Kangas with a Crow Gliding Update for March 16, 2011.  This Update is about a letter we sent to the Mayor last month and a City Council Meeting that was held last night.
     
    As mentioned in our last update, we met with the Chief of Staff for the Mayor along with the President of the City Council in June of last year. Also attending the meeting was Jim Hall, the Director of Boise Park and Recreation. Following the meeting we forwarded requested materials on to the President of the City Council. We then once again waited patiently for our City Park and Recreation folks to do the right thing. To get back with us and to partner in our silent, wonderful, and compatible outdoor activity. We waited patiently and heard nothing. A month ago, we sent the following letter to the Mayor.
       

    Feb 19, 2011

      

    David H. Bieter

    Mayor, City of Boise

     

    Dear Mr. Mayor,

     

    The Idaho Hang Gliding Association was pleased to hear your remarks in the television interview on May 27th of last year, regarding your commitment to work with us in saving the Crow Gliding Area. Following your interview, we were invited and met with representatives of your administration and the City Council on June the 4th. Regretfully, we have not been included in any subsequent planning meetings. We have only heard that Boise City is planning on going forward with the sale of the Crow Gliding Area, and that in the interim, Idaho Fish and Game will manage the property using no trespassing laws.

     

    Information we attained in a public records request shows that our gliding activity was discussed in a meeting held between Boise City and Fish and Game on April 7th 2010. In this meeting, Mr. McDevitt and Mr. Hall representing Boise City indicated that they were "not inclined to allow" our activity. In addition, Mr. Hall indicated that the agreement with Fish and Game would have to include the Boise City Council concerns of no recreational access except for hunting.

     

    We had met with Julia Grant just a few days prior in an introductory meeting, but we had never met with Mr. McDevitt and the Citizens Advisory Committee that he chairs.  Mr. Mayor, as this meeting between Mr. McDevitt, Mr. Hall, and Idaho Fish and Game occurred prior to your television interview, we are hopeful that the City's position regarding our recreational use of the Crow Gliding Area has also changed. So as to alleviate any confusion, would you please inform us as to the city's official position regarding the Crow Gliding Area?

     

    The Idaho Hang Gliding Association has great ideas regarding the integration of the Gliding Area into the open space plan that balances recreation, wildlife, wildfire safety, and the ridge to rivers trail system. We stand ready to partner with Boise City in preserving this wonderful Community Gliding Area for future generations and look forward to your response.

     

    Sincerely,

     

    John Kangas

    Spokesperson - Idaho Hang Gliding Association

    208-407-7174

     

     

     

    Regretfully, we did not receive a reply from the Mayor or his staff.  Just last week on Friday, John received a call from a reporter asking his opinion about a Joint Powers Agreement between Boise City and Idaho Fish and Game that was scheduled for approval at City Council last night.  We obtained a copy of the agreement. We also learned that it was to be presented at City Council for a vote in a general consent package.  Unless a citizen or a City Council Member requested that it be pulled from the larger batch of business, there would be no discussion and no individual vote on the matter.

     

    Our analysis of the attached Joint Powers Agreement indicated that it gave Idaho Fish and Game great power and left Boise City with very little. Since we had purchased the property with our Serial Levy funds that promised increased recreation, we looked closely at section 5 under Allowed Uses and found the phrase "wildlife related activities" only. The agreement does not define this term directly, but it states that Fish and Game must follow the BRWMA (Boise River Wildlife Management Area) plan which we have also attached.  As defined in the BRWMA "wildlife related activities" include hunting, fishing, and trapping. The BRWMA also states that hiking, bicycling, and dog walking are not "wildlife related activities" thus Fish and Game can prohibit them under their rules.  Also attached is copy of the original Serial Levy ballot we voted on, which includes a statement about increasing recreation including hiking and bicycling.  The Joint Powers Agreement seems short and simple at only 6 pages in length, but the BRWMA it references totals an additional 46 pages. In addition, the agreement states that Idaho Fish and Game shall enforce Idaho Code Title 36 Fish and Game regulations http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title36/T36.htm in addition to all other rules and regulations.  Another item referenced is IDAPA 13.01.03 for Public Use of Lands http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=idapa+13.01.03&fr=yfp-t-946&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=idapa+13.01.03&d=5054437947937177&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5f392699,5b76bb&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=tLhTaWH5DqMgFVBlrfE9fA-- Thus the simple 6 page agreement grows to a very large magnitude.

     

    Having concerns about the disparity in power in the agreement, along with it's allowed activities, about 20 gliding enthusiast attended the City Council meeting in addition to other concerned Boise citizens. We had the matter pulled out of the consent bucket, but the Mayor indicated that he would not let citizens speak about the agreement.  We questioned this from a procedural standpoint, as this was a contract involving our land and our use. We pointed out that this was in fact the only time that the citizens had been given to comment publicly. No other hearing or meetings had been held. Mayor Bieter stated that only the City Council was allowed to speak. The City attorney seemed very nervous at this point but he said nothing.

     

    Ironically, Council members spoke about the need for public comment, even though a large number of citizens attended the meeting in order to speak and we were not allowed to. The City Council spoke about the deer that needed saved, and that the agreement was nothing more than a 1 year baseline study that was going to be conducted by Fish and Game. We clearly saw that the term of the agreement was for up to 5 years and it was a lot more than just a baseline study.  None of the Council members dug into the core of the agreement or the fact that the actual referenced agreement would fill a 3 ring binder. A vote was taken. They all voted yes. With more irony, the Mayor thanked us for coming and encouraged us to participate in future public input, even though we have been trying to participate for the last year, and we have only been excluded from the process.

     

     

    For Idaho Fish and Game, control or ownership of our Crow Gliding Hill this is just another step in the BRWMA long range plan.  A KTVB news article indicates that under the new agreement, Fish and Game will close the property for study. http://www.ktvb.com/news/slideshows/Hang-gliders-upset-about-plan-to-close-off-popular-recreation-spot-118045189.html    We will see if and when Fish and Game allows us back on to our property after they conclude their "sound scientific" review (see 5b in the Powers Agreement.)  There is a high probability that the science will be collected and compiled by the same Biologist that wrote the BRWMA and helped draft the Joint Powers Agreement for Fish and Game.

     

    We would like to thank everyone for great support over the last year as we have attempted to partner with the City to create an environmentally compatible community gliding area. Despite the fact we were not allowed to provide input, we would like to thank all of you who made the effort to come out and try and speak with our City Council last night. Many of our fellow citizens in Boise are now aware of our wonderful activity. This is a great time to share gliding with a friend.

     

    Continue growing the movement to save our gliding hill and keep your spirits and gliders in the air.  Someday we will see you at the Crow.

     

    Blaine, Lisa, Patrick, Aaron, and John,

     

     

    Please feel free to forward this message on to others. Due to the large attachments, if you reply to us please use a new message rather than just hitting reply. Thanks.

     
     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
  • Jon Bolt
    Hi Eddy...just an ironic observation to offer. Over at Lake Lowell the surrounding cities and counties are livid about potential limitations to historical
    Message 2 of 3 , Mar 17 12:11 PM
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      Hi Eddy...just an ironic observation to offer.  Over at Lake Lowell the surrounding cities and counties are livid about potential limitations to historical recreational uses of that wildlife area.  They are so up-in-arms they've engaged Crapo & Simpson who are pounding on the very top FWS bureaucrats to keep the Feds from imposing any restrictions on those public lands.

      In contrast your situation involves Boise city behaving just like the Feds and doing exactly what most idaho citizens absolutely hate....and are pleading w/ Crapo & Simpson to stop...that is: putting any more restrictions on access or use of public lands.

      Would make interesting letter to editor...Could easily paint Bieter & his staff as behaving just like the hated Feds...not good for his re-election publicity...





      On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Gear Daddy LLC <geardaddyllc@...> wrote:
      A little FYI on the paragliding debate!  We are going to continue with litigation if necessary. At this point we are looking into recruiting a litigation specialist but this cost $.  Therefore we may need to ask for financial help.  Since I figure these sports are directly related I would throw it out there. Any donations are highly appreciated, where they go at this point I don't know; but let me know if you want to help. 

      Thanks,
      Eddy Petranek 

      BTW. If you don't give a hoot, just delete! If you do, thanks & read on. It is long winded but that is the Red Tape. 

      All we want is to hike up one little section of this hill, fly the small Ridge, and a small landing zone at bottom. No more than a couple acres of land including trail access. We would do all the maintenance and trail care. Nothing else is needed and the trails already exist and going on 35years old. Plus the area that IFG cares about is the back section only, nothing to do with our area at all. 


      Begin forwarded message:

      From: "JOHN A KANGAS" <j_kangas@...>
      Date: March 16, 2011 10:30:12 PM MDT
      Subject: Crow Gliding Update for March16, 2011

      Hello, this is John Kangas with a Crow Gliding Update for March 16, 2011.  This Update is about a letter we sent to the Mayor last month and a City Council Meeting that was held last night.
       
      As mentioned in our last update, we met with the Chief of Staff for the Mayor along with the President of the City Council in June of last year. Also attending the meeting was Jim Hall, the Director of Boise Park and Recreation. Following the meeting we forwarded requested materials on to the President of the City Council. We then once again waited patiently for our City Park and Recreation folks to do the right thing. To get back with us and to partner in our silent, wonderful, and compatible outdoor activity. We waited patiently and heard nothing. A month ago, we sent the following letter to the Mayor.
         

      Feb 19, 2011

        

      David H. Bieter

      Mayor, City of Boise

       

      Dear Mr. Mayor,

       

      The Idaho Hang Gliding Association was pleased to hear your remarks in the television interview on May 27th of last year, regarding your commitment to work with us in saving the Crow Gliding Area. Following your interview, we were invited and met with representatives of your administration and the City Council on June the 4th. Regretfully, we have not been included in any subsequent planning meetings. We have only heard that Boise City is planning on going forward with the sale of the Crow Gliding Area, and that in the interim, Idaho Fish and Game will manage the property using no trespassing laws.

       

      Information we attained in a public records request shows that our gliding activity was discussed in a meeting held between Boise City and Fish and Game on April 7th 2010. In this meeting, Mr. McDevitt and Mr. Hall representing Boise City indicated that they were "not inclined to allow" our activity. In addition, Mr. Hall indicated that the agreement with Fish and Game would have to include the Boise City Council concerns of no recreational access except for hunting.

       

      We had met with Julia Grant just a few days prior in an introductory meeting, but we had never met with Mr. McDevitt and the Citizens Advisory Committee that he chairs.  Mr. Mayor, as this meeting between Mr. McDevitt, Mr. Hall, and Idaho Fish and Game occurred prior to your television interview, we are hopeful that the City's position regarding our recreational use of the Crow Gliding Area has also changed. So as to alleviate any confusion, would you please inform us as to the city's official position regarding the Crow Gliding Area?

       

      The Idaho Hang Gliding Association has great ideas regarding the integration of the Gliding Area into the open space plan that balances recreation, wildlife, wildfire safety, and the ridge to rivers trail system. We stand ready to partner with Boise City in preserving this wonderful Community Gliding Area for future generations and look forward to your response.

       

      Sincerely,

       

      John Kangas

      Spokesperson - Idaho Hang Gliding Association

      208-407-7174

       

       

       

      Regretfully, we did not receive a reply from the Mayor or his staff.  Just last week on Friday, John received a call from a reporter asking his opinion about a Joint Powers Agreement between Boise City and Idaho Fish and Game that was scheduled for approval at City Council last night.  We obtained a copy of the agreement. We also learned that it was to be presented at City Council for a vote in a general consent package.  Unless a citizen or a City Council Member requested that it be pulled from the larger batch of business, there would be no discussion and no individual vote on the matter.

       

      Our analysis of the attached Joint Powers Agreement indicated that it gave Idaho Fish and Game great power and left Boise City with very little. Since we had purchased the property with our Serial Levy funds that promised increased recreation, we looked closely at section 5 under Allowed Uses and found the phrase "wildlife related activities" only. The agreement does not define this term directly, but it states that Fish and Game must follow the BRWMA (Boise River Wildlife Management Area) plan which we have also attached.  As defined in the BRWMA "wildlife related activities" include hunting, fishing, and trapping. The BRWMA also states that hiking, bicycling, and dog walking are not "wildlife related activities" thus Fish and Game can prohibit them under their rules.  Also attached is copy of the original Serial Levy ballot we voted on, which includes a statement about increasing recreation including hiking and bicycling.  The Joint Powers Agreement seems short and simple at only 6 pages in length, but the BRWMA it references totals an additional 46 pages. In addition, the agreement states that Idaho Fish and Game shall enforce Idaho Code Title 36 Fish and Game regulations http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title36/T36.htm in addition to all other rules and regulations.  Another item referenced is IDAPA 13.01.03 for Public Use of Lands http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=idapa+13.01.03&fr=yfp-t-946&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=idapa+13.01.03&d=5054437947937177&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5f392699,5b76bb&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=tLhTaWH5DqMgFVBlrfE9fA-- Thus the simple 6 page agreement grows to a very large magnitude.

       

      Having concerns about the disparity in power in the agreement, along with it's allowed activities, about 20 gliding enthusiast attended the City Council meeting in addition to other concerned Boise citizens. We had the matter pulled out of the consent bucket, but the Mayor indicated that he would not let citizens speak about the agreement.  We questioned this from a procedural standpoint, as this was a contract involving our land and our use. We pointed out that this was in fact the only time that the citizens had been given to comment publicly. No other hearing or meetings had been held. Mayor Bieter stated that only the City Council was allowed to speak. The City attorney seemed very nervous at this point but he said nothing.

       

      Ironically, Council members spoke about the need for public comment, even though a large number of citizens attended the meeting in order to speak and we were not allowed to. The City Council spoke about the deer that needed saved, and that the agreement was nothing more than a 1 year baseline study that was going to be conducted by Fish and Game. We clearly saw that the term of the agreement was for up to 5 years and it was a lot more than just a baseline study.  None of the Council members dug into the core of the agreement or the fact that the actual referenced agreement would fill a 3 ring binder. A vote was taken. They all voted yes. With more irony, the Mayor thanked us for coming and encouraged us to participate in future public input, even though we have been trying to participate for the last year, and we have only been excluded from the process.

       

       

      For Idaho Fish and Game, control or ownership of our Crow Gliding Hill this is just another step in the BRWMA long range plan.  A KTVB news article indicates that under the new agreement, Fish and Game will close the property for study. http://www.ktvb.com/news/slideshows/Hang-gliders-upset-about-plan-to-close-off-popular-recreation-spot-118045189.html    We will see if and when Fish and Game allows us back on to our property after they conclude their "sound scientific" review (see 5b in the Powers Agreement.)  There is a high probability that the science will be collected and compiled by the same Biologist that wrote the BRWMA and helped draft the Joint Powers Agreement for Fish and Game.

       

      We would like to thank everyone for great support over the last year as we have attempted to partner with the City to create an environmentally compatible community gliding area. Despite the fact we were not allowed to provide input, we would like to thank all of you who made the effort to come out and try and speak with our City Council last night. Many of our fellow citizens in Boise are now aware of our wonderful activity. This is a great time to share gliding with a friend.

       

      Continue growing the movement to save our gliding hill and keep your spirits and gliders in the air.  Someday we will see you at the Crow.

       

      Blaine, Lisa, Patrick, Aaron, and John,

       

       

      Please feel free to forward this message on to others. Due to the large attachments, if you reply to us please use a new message rather than just hitting reply. Thanks.

       
       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       





    • geardaddyllc
      JUST ANOTHER NOTE...Apparently in the Idaho Statesman today http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/03/18/1570596/uncertainty-over-deer-flat-recreation.html The
      Message 3 of 3 , Mar 18 9:58 AM
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        JUST ANOTHER NOTE...Apparently in the Idaho Statesman today

        http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/03/18/1570596/uncertainty-over-deer-flat-recreation.html

        The Battle for saving Lake Lowell continues.

        I think we all need to group together and fight together to save both venues.

        Eddy

        --- In snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com, Jon Bolt <idakiteman@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi Eddy...just an ironic observation to offer. Over at Lake Lowell the
        > surrounding cities and counties are livid about potential limitations to
        > historical recreational uses of that wildlife area. They are so up-in-arms
        > they've engaged Crapo & Simpson who are pounding on the very top FWS
        > bureaucrats to keep the Feds from imposing any restrictions on those public
        > lands.
        >
        > In contrast your situation involves Boise city behaving just like the Feds
        > and doing exactly what most idaho citizens absolutely hate....and are
        > pleading w/ Crapo & Simpson to stop...that is: putting any more restrictions
        > on access or use of public lands.
        >
        > Would make interesting letter to editor...Could easily paint Bieter & his
        > staff as behaving just like the hated Feds...not good for his re-election
        > publicity...
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Gear Daddy LLC <geardaddyllc@...>wrote:
        >
        > > A little FYI on the paragliding debate! We are going to continue with
        > > litigation if necessary. At this point we are looking into recruiting a
        > > litigation specialist but this cost $. Therefore we may need to ask for
        > > financial help. Since I figure these sports are directly related I would
        > > throw it out there. Any donations are highly appreciated, where they go at
        > > this point I don't know; but let me know if you want to help.
        > >
        > > Thanks,
        > > Eddy Petranek
        > >
        > > BTW. If you don't give a hoot, just delete! If you do, thanks & read on. It
        > > is long winded but that is the Red Tape.
        > >
        > > All we want is to hike up one little section of this hill, fly the small
        > > Ridge, and a small landing zone at bottom. No more than a couple acres of
        > > land including trail access. We would do all the maintenance and trail care.
        > > Nothing else is needed and the trails already exist and going on 35years
        > > old. Plus the area that IFG cares about is the back section only, nothing to
        > > do with our area at all.
        > >
        > >
        > > Begin forwarded message:
        > >
        > > *From:* "JOHN A KANGAS" <j_kangas@...>
        > > *Date:* March 16, 2011 10:30:12 PM MDT
        > > *Subject:* *Crow Gliding Update for March16, 2011*
        > >
        > > Hello, this is John Kangas with a Crow Gliding Update for March 16,
        > > 2011. This Update is about a letter we sent to the Mayor last month and a
        > > City Council Meeting that was held last night.
        > >
        > > As mentioned in our last update, we met with the Chief of Staff for the
        > > Mayor along with the President of the City Council in June of last year.
        > > Also attending the meeting was Jim Hall, the Director of Boise Park and
        > > Recreation. Following the meeting we forwarded requested materials on to the
        > > President of the City Council. We then once again waited patiently for our
        > > City Park and Recreation folks to do the right thing. To get back with us
        > > and to partner in our silent, wonderful, and compatible outdoor activity. We
        > > waited patiently and heard nothing. A month ago, we sent the following
        > > letter to the Mayor.
        > >
        > >
        > > Feb 19, 2011
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > David H. Bieter
        > >
        > > Mayor, City of Boise
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Dear Mr. Mayor,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The Idaho Hang Gliding Association was pleased to hear your remarks in the
        > > television interview on May 27th of last year, regarding your commitment
        > > to work with us in saving the Crow Gliding Area. Following your interview,
        > > we were invited and met with representatives of your administration and the
        > > City Council on June the 4th. Regretfully, we have not been included in
        > > any subsequent planning meetings. We have only heard that Boise City is
        > > planning on going forward with the sale of the Crow Gliding Area, and that
        > > in the interim, Idaho Fish and Game will manage the property using no
        > > trespassing laws.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Information we attained in a public records request shows that our gliding
        > > activity was discussed in a meeting held between Boise City and Fish and
        > > Game on April 7th 2010. In this meeting, Mr. McDevitt and Mr. Hall
        > > representing Boise City indicated that they were "not inclined to allow" our
        > > activity. In addition, Mr. Hall indicated that the agreement with Fish and
        > > Game would have to include the Boise City Council concerns of no
        > > recreational access except for hunting.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > We had met with Julia Grant just a few days prior in an introductory
        > > meeting, but we had never met with Mr. McDevitt and the Citizens Advisory
        > > Committee that he chairs. Mr. Mayor, as this meeting between Mr.
        > > McDevitt, Mr. Hall, and Idaho Fish and Game occurred prior to your
        > > television interview, we are hopeful that the City's position regarding our
        > > recreational use of the Crow Gliding Area has also changed. So as to
        > > alleviate any confusion, would you please inform us as to the city's
        > > official position regarding the Crow Gliding Area?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > The Idaho Hang Gliding Association has great ideas regarding the
        > > integration of the Gliding Area into the open space plan that balances
        > > recreation, wildlife, wildfire safety, and the ridge to rivers trail system.
        > > We stand ready to partner with Boise City in preserving this wonderful
        > > Community Gliding Area for future generations and look forward to your
        > > response.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Sincerely,
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > John Kangas
        > >
        > > Spokesperson - Idaho Hang Gliding Association
        > >
        > > 208-407-7174
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Regretfully, we did not receive a reply from the Mayor or his staff. Just
        > > last week on Friday, John received a call from a reporter asking his opinion
        > > about a Joint Powers Agreement between Boise City and Idaho Fish and Game
        > > that was scheduled for approval at City Council last night. We obtained a
        > > copy of the agreement. We also learned that it was to be presented at City
        > > Council for a vote in a general consent package. Unless a citizen or a City
        > > Council Member requested that it be pulled from the larger batch of
        > > business, there would be no discussion and no individual vote on the matter.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Our analysis of the attached Joint Powers Agreement indicated that it
        > > gave Idaho Fish and Game great power and left Boise City with very
        > > little. Since we had purchased the property with our Serial Levy funds that
        > > promised increased recreation, we looked closely at *section 5*under Allowed Uses and found the phrase "wildlife related activities" only.
        > > The agreement does not define this term directly, but it states that Fish
        > > and Game must follow the BRWMA (Boise River Wildlife Management Area) plan
        > > which we have also attached. As defined in the BRWMA "wildlife related
        > > activities" include hunting, fishing, and trapping. The BRWMA also states
        > > that hiking, bicycling, and dog walking are *not* "wildlife related
        > > activities" thus Fish and Game can prohibit them under their rules. Also
        > > attached is copy of the original Serial Levy ballot we voted on, which
        > > includes a statement about increasing recreation including hiking and
        > > bicycling. The Joint Powers Agreement seems short and simple at only 6
        > > pages in length, but the BRWMA it references totals an additional 46 pages.
        > > In addition, the agreement states that Idaho Fish and Game shall enforce
        > > Idaho Code Title 36 Fish and Game regulations
        > > <http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title36/T36.htm>
        > > http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title36/T36.htm in addition to all
        > > other rules and regulations. Another item referenced is IDAPA 13.01.03 for
        > > Public Use of Lands <http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=idapa+13.01.03&fr=yfp-t-946&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=idapa+13.01.03&d=5054437947937177&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5f392699,5b76bb&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=tLhTaWH5DqMgFVBlrfE9fA-->
        > > http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=idapa+13.01.03&fr=yfp-t-946&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=idapa+13.01.03&d=5054437947937177&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=5f392699,5b76bb&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=tLhTaWH5DqMgFVBlrfE9fA-- Thus
        > > the simple 6 page agreement grows to a very large magnitude.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Having concerns about the disparity in power in the agreement, along
        > > with it's allowed activities, about 20 gliding enthusiast attended the City
        > > Council meeting in addition to other concerned Boise citizens. We had the
        > > matter pulled out of the consent bucket, but the Mayor indicated that he
        > > would not let citizens speak about the agreement. We questioned this from a
        > > procedural standpoint, as this was a contract involving our land and our
        > > use. We pointed out that this was in fact the only time that the citizens
        > > had been given to comment publicly. No other hearing or meetings had been
        > > held. Mayor Bieter stated that only the City Council was allowed to speak.
        > > The City attorney seemed very nervous at this point but he said nothing.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Ironically, Council members spoke about the need for public comment, even
        > > though a large number of citizens attended the meeting in order to speak and
        > > we were not allowed to. The City Council spoke about the deer that needed
        > > saved, and that the agreement was nothing more than a 1 year baseline study
        > > that was going to be conducted by Fish and Game. We clearly saw that the
        > > term of the agreement was for up to 5 years and it was a lot more than just
        > > a baseline study. None of the Council members dug into the core of the
        > > agreement or the fact that the actual referenced agreement would fill a 3
        > > ring binder. A vote was taken. They all voted yes. With more irony,
        > > the Mayor thanked us for coming and encouraged us to participate in future
        > > public input, even though we have been trying to participate for the last
        > > year, and we have only been excluded from the process.
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        > > For Idaho Fish and Game, control or ownership of our Crow Gliding Hill this
        > > is just another step in the BRWMA long range plan. A KTVB news
        > > article indicates that under the new agreement, Fish and Game will close the
        > > property for study.
        > > <http://www.ktvb.com/news/slideshows/Hang-gliders-upset-about-plan-to-close-off-popular-recreation-spot-118045189.html>
        > > http://www.ktvb.com/news/slideshows/Hang-gliders-upset-about-plan-to-close-off-popular-recreation-spot-118045189.html
        > > We will see if and when Fish and Game allows us back on to our
        > > property after they conclude their "sound scientific" review (see 5b in the
        > > Powers Agreement.) There is a high probability that the science will be
        > > collected and compiled by the same Biologist that wrote the BRWMA and helped
        > > draft the Joint Powers Agreement for Fish and Game.
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        > > We would like to thank everyone for great support over the last year as we
        > > have attempted to partner with the City to create an environmentally
        > > compatible community gliding area. Despite the fact we were not allowed to
        > > provide input, we would like to thank all of you who made the effort to come
        > > out and try and speak with our City Council last night. Many of our fellow
        > > citizens in Boise are now aware of our wonderful activity. This is a great
        > > time to share gliding with a friend.
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        > > Continue growing the movement to save our gliding hill and keep your
        > > spirits and gliders in the air. Someday we will see you at the Crow.
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        > > Blaine, Lisa, Patrick, Aaron, and John,
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