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  • Jon Bolt
    of course reasonable minds may differ...two facts of the morning not subject to opinion: 1) the number of kiters leaving the water after first lull, then
    Message 1 of 24 , Jul 3, 2013
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      of course reasonable minds may differ...two facts of the morning not subject to opinion:  1) the number of kiters leaving the water after first lull, then returning.  Rarely happens.  2) and more significantly the number of exciting, near calamitous landings: Binnegar twice (with brand new kite...first time wind quirks cause it to luff & start death spiral just as he's taking board off, so frantic backing up into water to take slack out then it powers when falling & tomahawks into harder ground just missing picnic shelter..WHEW...second it falls onto far side of dock.  Jake twice...two luffs preceeded by"oh-sh*t" warnings, two recoveries, Jake running like deer to take up slack & get better angle.  Steve L. self-lands then a sputter lifts his kite, flips on back and up, over picnic shelter sliding over corner before safety line halts it.   Nice saves by all, miraculously no damage.  Other "oh-sh*ts" & scampering as the fluky stuff had its way with us.  Great help by those on beach.  Far from typical morning...


      On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jim shultz <jim.shultz00@...> wrote:
       

      I would have to agree with Rusty, was it great?   No, but it wasn't that bad, made it work on an 11m boosting just fine!  Any morning there is better than the office!

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Jul 2, 2013, at 19:14, RUSTY HILL <rustyshill@...> wrote:

       

      I don't think I agree 100% with the previous gloomy reports. I don't know if it was differences in kites, nights rest or other reasons, but I think today's wind wasn't too bad. Yes, it was patchy at times, as I've come to expect, but I've seen MUCH worse at LP. A lot of the morning, in my opinion, was pretty smooth and I think the numbers were pretty close assuming its not measuring the slowest the wind blows at any given timeframe but the average. Maybe I'm just tickled to be kiting back at LP and have a rosy view, but the smell of smoke and newly crispy scenery didn't take away one bit from my fun this morning. (Last years smoke was 10x worse) I love seeing so many kiters, and would have loved to see more windsurfers, out there on a weekday. Hopefully more to come soon!


      Rusty Hill

      On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Will Hise <will.hise@...> wrote:

       

      don't forget that it doesn't report lulls.




      On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:


      Wow… the graph looked perfect and strong.  Must have been a direction thing.  There is no calibration of the anemometer so it should be indicating what is happening up on the roof of the trailer.  Solid low twenties from 6 – 8 with gusts to high 20s.

       

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      From: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com [mailto:snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bolt
      Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 3:20 PM
      To: Snowkiteidaho


      Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

       

       

      Jbrick...wind quality pretty crappy this morning.   Worst of year for sure.  Early end of first session because looked like it was dying bigtime, so several of us came in.  Then it picked back up, so I went back out on Linane's Wainman 12m.  Never seen such erratic sputtering frustrating wind.  Punch & die, punch & die...Kite canopy couldn't  stay full & steady for more than a second.  First session just crap wind.  Second sesh it evened out a bit, but lighter...still gaps & holes.  Another calibration: the erratic wind produced much landing excitement...extreme direction changes  caused a couple kites to Hindenburg barely missing picnic shelter, kites falling on the dock, Steve L. tried a self-land that went back up & tumbled over the picnic shelter.  Probably 6 or more OMG landing attempts.  Amazingly...no damage to any kites.   That just never happens...

       

      On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:

       

      Tony,

       

      This looked like a stellar day from the numbers. You make it sound like it was less than average.  Did everyone else find it on the lighter side?

      Regards,

      -Jason Brickner

      Olympus Controls

       

      Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors.  Sent from my phone.


      On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "tony williams" <tonyswilliams@...> wrote:

       

      Well the smoke did not kill the wind but it was definately in the air as I could smell it straight away as I got out of the car. 

      10 kiters today and 0 wind surfers.  up and down wind with varying locations of holes.  Was stronger then yesterday and still pretty fun as long as you had a good sized kite.

       

      From: Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...>
      To: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:16 AM
      Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

       

      Will the smoke kill it?

      On Jul 2, 2013 5:36 AM, "Greg" <daflyinhawaiian64@...> wrote:

       

      Well Barclay bay is open for business this morning
      Sent from my iPhone

      On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...> wrote:

       

      I heard on the radio that there's a fire at Turner. Anyone have an inside, and know how bad it is? Is tomorrow morning still looking like a good day to skip work for wind?

      Thanks,
      Josh

       





    • Jim shultz
      I would have been one of those coming in later (when wind was likely dying making conditions that much more challenging) were it not for my twerking
      Message 2 of 24 , Jul 3, 2013
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        I would have been one of those coming in later (when wind was likely dying making conditions that much more challenging) were it not for my "twerking" obsession, which made my departure from the water far less dramatic as the winds were pretty solid when I came in.  An observation from someone who has spent less time than most at LP, the lighter the wind when departing the water, the higher the likelihood of kite drama!  

        Hope you all get some great sessions, I'm heading out of town for awhile!

        Cheers!

        Sent from my iPhone

        On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:00, Jon Bolt <idakiteman@...> wrote:

         

        of course reasonable minds may differ...two facts of the morning not subject to opinion:  1) the number of kiters leaving the water after first lull, then returning.  Rarely happens.  2) and more significantly the number of exciting, near calamitous landings: Binnegar twice (with brand new kite...first time wind quirks cause it to luff & start death spiral just as he's taking board off, so frantic backing up into water to take slack out then it powers when falling & tomahawks into harder ground just missing picnic shelter..WHEW...second it falls onto far side of dock.  Jake twice...two luffs preceeded by"oh-sh*t" warnings, two recoveries, Jake running like deer to take up slack & get better angle.  Steve L. self-lands then a sputter lifts his kite, flips on back and up, over picnic shelter sliding over corner before safety line halts it.   Nice saves by all, miraculously no damage.  Other "oh-sh*ts" & scampering as the fluky stuff had its way with us.  Great help by those on beach.  Far from typical morning...


        On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jim shultz <jim.shultz00@...> wrote:
         

        I would have to agree with Rusty, was it great?   No, but it wasn't that bad, made it work on an 11m boosting just fine!  Any morning there is better than the office!

        Sent from my iPhone

        On Jul 2, 2013, at 19:14, RUSTY HILL <rustyshill@...> wrote:

         

        I don't think I agree 100% with the previous gloomy reports. I don't know if it was differences in kites, nights rest or other reasons, but I think today's wind wasn't too bad. Yes, it was patchy at times, as I've come to expect, but I've seen MUCH worse at LP. A lot of the morning, in my opinion, was pretty smooth and I think the numbers were pretty close assuming its not measuring the slowest the wind blows at any given timeframe but the average. Maybe I'm just tickled to be kiting back at LP and have a rosy view, but the smell of smoke and newly crispy scenery didn't take away one bit from my fun this morning. (Last years smoke was 10x worse) I love seeing so many kiters, and would have loved to see more windsurfers, out there on a weekday. Hopefully more to come soon!


        Rusty Hill

        On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Will Hise <will.hise@...> wrote:

         

        don't forget that it doesn't report lulls.




        On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:


        Wow… the graph looked perfect and strong.  Must have been a direction thing.  There is no calibration of the anemometer so it should be indicating what is happening up on the roof of the trailer.  Solid low twenties from 6 – 8 with gusts to high 20s.

         

        <image001.png>

         

        From: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com [mailto:snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bolt
        Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 3:20 PM
        To: Snowkiteidaho


        Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

         

         

        Jbrick...wind quality pretty crappy this morning.   Worst of year for sure.  Early end of first session because looked like it was dying bigtime, so several of us came in.  Then it picked back up, so I went back out on Linane's Wainman 12m.  Never seen such erratic sputtering frustrating wind.  Punch & die, punch & die...Kite canopy couldn't  stay full & steady for more than a second.  First session just crap wind.  Second sesh it evened out a bit, but lighter...still gaps & holes.  Another calibration: the erratic wind produced much landing excitement...extreme direction changes  caused a couple kites to Hindenburg barely missing picnic shelter, kites falling on the dock, Steve L. tried a self-land that went back up & tumbled over the picnic shelter.  Probably 6 or more OMG landing attempts.  Amazingly...no damage to any kites.   That just never happens...

         

        On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:

         

        Tony,

         

        This looked like a stellar day from the numbers. You make it sound like it was less than average.  Did everyone else find it on the lighter side?

        Regards,

        -Jason Brickner

        Olympus Controls

         

        Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors.  Sent from my phone.


        On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "tony williams" <tonyswilliams@...> wrote:

         

        Well the smoke did not kill the wind but it was definately in the air as I could smell it straight away as I got out of the car. 

        10 kiters today and 0 wind surfers.  up and down wind with varying locations of holes.  Was stronger then yesterday and still pretty fun as long as you had a good sized kite.

         

        From: Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...>
        To: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:16 AM
        Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

         

        Will the smoke kill it?

        On Jul 2, 2013 5:36 AM, "Greg" <daflyinhawaiian64@...> wrote:

         

        Well Barclay bay is open for business this morning
        Sent from my iPhone

        On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...> wrote:

         

        I heard on the radio that there's a fire at Turner. Anyone have an inside, and know how bad it is? Is tomorrow morning still looking like a good day to skip work for wind?

        Thanks,
        Josh

         





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      • Jon Bolt
        my experience a little different than Jim s...the riskier landings are when wind is stronger. The typical E or SE winds put Barclay on the edge of the wind
        Message 3 of 24 , Jul 3, 2013
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          my experience a little different than Jim's...the riskier landings are when wind is stronger.  The typical E or SE winds put Barclay on the edge of the wind shadow coming from winds tumbling over the peak upwind of Turner.  Stronger wind means stronger turbulence easily reaching Barclay.  If the flow is SE vs. E or NE, watch out...comes even more over the mountains.  On the other hand, in lighter winds, the turbulence settles some before reaching Barclay.  And, in light winds, while there may be holes,  the key is to create apparent wind  by swimming the kite, rapid short strokes, back & forth as exiting water & walking up the beach to land.  This "swimming" creates an apparent wind for your kite that is far more reliable than keeping the kite fairly still overhead and hoping the wind will hold.  As the new wave band DEVO would say:  SWIM IT...SWIM IT GOOD


          On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Jim shultz <jim.shultz00@...> wrote:
           

          I would have been one of those coming in later (when wind was likely dying making conditions that much more challenging) were it not for my "twerking" obsession, which made my departure from the water far less dramatic as the winds were pretty solid when I came in.  An observation from someone who has spent less time than most at LP, the lighter the wind when departing the water, the higher the likelihood of kite drama!  

          Hope you all get some great sessions, I'm heading out of town for awhile!

          Cheers!

          Sent from my iPhone

          On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:00, Jon Bolt <idakiteman@...> wrote:

           

          of course reasonable minds may differ...two facts of the morning not subject to opinion:  1) the number of kiters leaving the water after first lull, then returning.  Rarely happens.  2) and more significantly the number of exciting, near calamitous landings: Binnegar twice (with brand new kite...first time wind quirks cause it to luff & start death spiral just as he's taking board off, so frantic backing up into water to take slack out then it powers when falling & tomahawks into harder ground just missing picnic shelter..WHEW...second it falls onto far side of dock.  Jake twice...two luffs preceeded by"oh-sh*t" warnings, two recoveries, Jake running like deer to take up slack & get better angle.  Steve L. self-lands then a sputter lifts his kite, flips on back and up, over picnic shelter sliding over corner before safety line halts it.   Nice saves by all, miraculously no damage.  Other "oh-sh*ts" & scampering as the fluky stuff had its way with us.  Great help by those on beach.  Far from typical morning...


          On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Jim shultz <jim.shultz00@...> wrote:
           

          I would have to agree with Rusty, was it great?   No, but it wasn't that bad, made it work on an 11m boosting just fine!  Any morning there is better than the office!

          Sent from my iPhone

          On Jul 2, 2013, at 19:14, RUSTY HILL <rustyshill@...> wrote:

           

          I don't think I agree 100% with the previous gloomy reports. I don't know if it was differences in kites, nights rest or other reasons, but I think today's wind wasn't too bad. Yes, it was patchy at times, as I've come to expect, but I've seen MUCH worse at LP. A lot of the morning, in my opinion, was pretty smooth and I think the numbers were pretty close assuming its not measuring the slowest the wind blows at any given timeframe but the average. Maybe I'm just tickled to be kiting back at LP and have a rosy view, but the smell of smoke and newly crispy scenery didn't take away one bit from my fun this morning. (Last years smoke was 10x worse) I love seeing so many kiters, and would have loved to see more windsurfers, out there on a weekday. Hopefully more to come soon!


          Rusty Hill

          On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Will Hise <will.hise@...> wrote:

           

          don't forget that it doesn't report lulls.




          On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:


          Wow… the graph looked perfect and strong.  Must have been a direction thing.  There is no calibration of the anemometer so it should be indicating what is happening up on the roof of the trailer.  Solid low twenties from 6 – 8 with gusts to high 20s.

           

          <image001.png>

           

          From: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com [mailto:snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bolt
          Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 3:20 PM
          To: Snowkiteidaho


          Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

           

           

          Jbrick...wind quality pretty crappy this morning.   Worst of year for sure.  Early end of first session because looked like it was dying bigtime, so several of us came in.  Then it picked back up, so I went back out on Linane's Wainman 12m.  Never seen such erratic sputtering frustrating wind.  Punch & die, punch & die...Kite canopy couldn't  stay full & steady for more than a second.  First session just crap wind.  Second sesh it evened out a bit, but lighter...still gaps & holes.  Another calibration: the erratic wind produced much landing excitement...extreme direction changes  caused a couple kites to Hindenburg barely missing picnic shelter, kites falling on the dock, Steve L. tried a self-land that went back up & tumbled over the picnic shelter.  Probably 6 or more OMG landing attempts.  Amazingly...no damage to any kites.   That just never happens...

           

          On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jason Brickner <jasonbrickner@...> wrote:

           

          Tony,

           

          This looked like a stellar day from the numbers. You make it sound like it was less than average.  Did everyone else find it on the lighter side?

          Regards,

          -Jason Brickner

          Olympus Controls

           

          Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors.  Sent from my phone.


          On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:03 AM, "tony williams" <tonyswilliams@...> wrote:

           

          Well the smoke did not kill the wind but it was definately in the air as I could smell it straight away as I got out of the car. 

          10 kiters today and 0 wind surfers.  up and down wind with varying locations of holes.  Was stronger then yesterday and still pretty fun as long as you had a good sized kite.

           

          From: Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...>
          To: snowkiteidaho@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:16 AM
          Subject: Re: [snowkiteidaho] Turner Fire

           

          Will the smoke kill it?

          On Jul 2, 2013 5:36 AM, "Greg" <daflyinhawaiian64@...> wrote:

           

          Well Barclay bay is open for business this morning
          Sent from my iPhone

          On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Josh Woodland <woodland.josh@...> wrote:

           

          I heard on the radio that there's a fire at Turner. Anyone have an inside, and know how bad it is? Is tomorrow morning still looking like a good day to skip work for wind?

          Thanks,
          Josh

           





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