Re: [smygo] Bride of RNC Protest Stories
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From: dave williams
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [smygo] Bride of RNC Protest Stories
--- ta <ta33@...> wrote:
> Dan Clore wrote:
> > News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
> > *****
> > Canucks protest Republican convention
> > by Dennis Bueckert
> > Canadian Press
> > Saturday, August 28, 2004
> > OTTAWA (CP) -- Scores of Canadian activists set
> out Saturday
> > to join anti-war demonstrations at the Republican
> > Convention in New York, saying the conflict in
> Iraq concerns
> > them even if they aren't U.S. voters.
> Perhaps the Canadians should be more concerned with
> their own complicity in
> the war/imperialism business before crossing the
> border to complain about
> America's. From Vietnam to Iraq to Haiti, the
> Canadians have walked
> hand-in-hand with the US, although usually under the
> covers, while they
> publicly talk about peace in effort to continue to
> promote the "Canada the
> Peacemaker" myth.
As someone that just so happened to be born on
Canadian soil I almost completely agree with this.
Canada is bo no means a "nation of peace". Let's not
forget the aiding that Canada gave during the genocide
of the east timorese as well. Or the present support
that Martin (canadian pm) is planning on giving the US
for their space missile defense program.
However keep in mind that during the Vietnam war that
you speak of it was Canada that allowed war refugees
into their country.
** TA: And it was Canada who was engaged in espionage with the CIA and
cooperated with American forces in supplying arms and logistical support to
South Vietnam, all the while a member of two international truce commissions
on the Vietnam War as a supposedly neutral party. In addition, Canada
supplied humanitarian aid to only the South Vietnamese, and in some cases,
stopped critical medical supplies from being delivered to North Vietnam for
treating injured and dying civilians. And like in Iraq, Canadian "defense"
companies sold billions of dollars worth of military products, such as
ammunition, napalm, and other explosives. They provided another 10 billion
dollars worth of food and supplies to US troops. Naturally, Canada's economy
reaped tremendous benefits from supplying the US with the continued means to
wage its vile and unjust war against the Vietnamese people. Canada was also
actively allowed the US to test its brutal chemical weapons on their soil,
including agent orange, and used Canadian property for testing the massive
carpet bombing campaigns the US carried out against the VC. And finally,
they supplied 10,000 Canadian troops who fought with the US armed forces in
I will also disagree with you on Canada walking hand
in hand with the US "under cover". The GOVERNMENT
normally walks hand in hand with the US pretty openly.
This is the first time that I can think of that the US
asked for Canada to be part of a military coalition
and it was refused. Afghanistan and the 1st Iraq war
were certainly NOT "undercover" military co-operation
on Canada's part. It was disgustingly open support
given by them to the US.
** TA: Canada consistently tries to walk the line between peacemaker and
American lapdog. They don't want to like US policy, but they do like the
> While Canada would not officially be recognized as
> part of the "coalition of
> the willing", they supplied the US with critical air
> bases for refueling,
> they supplied tactical support during the war, their
> soldiers manned AWACS
> planes for directing missile hits, and their billion
> dollar "defense"
> industry was supplying the American government with
> weapons to kill the
> Iraqis. How a nation can both aid the aggressor and
> protest him is beyond
Are you not American? Are you not against this war?
How a person can be the leading agressor and still
protest the war is beyond me. Do you see how
ridiculous that sounds?
** TA: What's ridiculous is that many Canadians feel compelled, due to this
false sense of moral superiority, to protest American policy while ignoring
(either willfully or subconsciously) their own government's complicity in
that very policy. I'm not likely to take any advice on gardening from my
neighbor whose yard is filled with weeds.
> In addition, Canadian Pension Plan beneficiaries are
> pouring their
> retirement dollars into American "defense" companies
> like Raytheon and
> Lockheed Martin, those primarily responsible for
> building the weapons
> America uses to carry out it's global terror.
> Canada is up to their eyes in American imperialism;
> obviously they have
> chosen to cozy up the bully on the block, rather
> confront him, but you can't
> be for "peace" on the one hand, and fuel the bully
> on the other (all the
> while reaping the benefits of sucking up to the
> Those Canadian protesters would be better served
> spending their energy
> addressing their own government's hypocritical
> stances before protesting
> American policy.
You obviously don't believe in the idea of world
community and think that we're better off just
sticking within our borders and isolating ourselves. I
guess you would be opposed to the idea of
international solidarity. I guess that even the idea
of world wide workers solidarity would be in
opposition to your views wouldn't it?
**TA: You obviously have jumped to many conclusions which are not logically
reached from what I wrote.
completely disagree. You almost sound nationalistic.
I would be very open to the idea of Americans
crossing the border (that I don't respect much anyway)
onto Canadian soil to protest Canadian policy. I had
no problem whe the American Noam Chomsky came to
Vancouver not to long ago.
**TA: Protest all you like, but one has to wonder why one is driving
hundreds of miles to protest things when there is protesting to do right in
your own back yard. Of course they have the *right* to do whatever, but
that's not the point.
But I guess you think he
just should've stayed south of the border.
**TA: You guess wrong.
that we all need to work together globally on the
injustices that are going on in OUR world.
**TA: I think we need to "think globally, act locally" myself. I think we
need to clean up our own messes before focusing on someone else's.
Would you have also been in opposition to Emma
Goldman coming to your country and doing what she did
because there was enough tyranny going on in her
homeland? I'm sure you would've definatly opposed that
"damn foreigner" aiding Americans in draft resistance
during WW1 wouldn't you? Probably you would've
supported her deportation as well, seeing as you think
that people from other nations should have no right to
protest against another nations wrongs as long as they
have problems in their own country. You wouldn't of
liked Sacco and Vanzetti (Italians) or alot of other
immigrant radicals during that time I don't think
either. They had no business coming here to try to
make the world fairer in a place that was not their
nation of birth. Is that what you'd think?
**TA: I'm not sure how you arrived at such conclusions based on what I
wrote. You sound defensive, perhaps indicating your own nationalistic
I guess that the world community shouldn't protest
the Israeli occupation either should they? They should
all just isolate themselves within their borders and
only protest what their own gov't does. Let the
Palestinians and the Israelites handle that. Is that
what you think?
I doubt that you'd be apart of this list if you
actually thought all of that. So why are you so pissed
off over this incident?
**TA: what makes you think I'm pissed? I thought it was a worthwhile point
philosophically, and I see alot of hypocritical moral posturing from
misguided Canadians who are awfully concerned about American policy, and yet
seemingly misinformed or silent in regards to their own government's
actions. That's not to say these protesters didn't come from Ottawa
protesting the Liberal party's policies before hopping on the bus to NY, so