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    From: kenhaining777 Subject: [Escape_from_the_Fellowship] Obey Those Who Have the Rule Over You Perhaps one of the most beaten to
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      From: kenhaining777 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [Escape_from_the_Fellowship] Obey Those Who Have the Rule
      Over You

      Perhaps one of the most beaten to death, out of context Scriptures
      used by Wayman's World is Hebrews 13:17

      Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for
      they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they
      may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for
      you.  (King James Version)

      Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your
      souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy
      and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.  (New
      American Standard Version)

      This is used to justify the domination of the people in the church by
      the pastor and the leaders of the fellowship.  This is a clear
      contradiction of what Jesus taught the teachers and pastors in his
      church were to be like.

      Matthew 20:25-28

      But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers
      of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise
      authority over them. It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes
      to become great among you shall be your servant, and whoever wishes
      to be first among you shall be your slave; just as the Son of Man did
      not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom
      for many."

      Unless you think the author of Hebrews is contradicting the teachings
      of Jesus, then you must see that the fellowship use of Hebrews 13:17
      is twisted.  In fact, the pastors and leaders of Wayman's World use
      Hebrews 13:17 to do exactly what Jesus instructed his disciples not
      to do.  
      All Hebrews 13:17 means is to take heed to sound teaching.  Those "in
      authority" are simply those who have become the teachers and pastors
      in the church.  If they teach you sound doctrine, then you are to
      obey it.  It is not saying that you are at the beck and call of some
      spiritual overlord. 

      The real weight is on the teachers.
      James 3:1
      Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as
      such we will incur a stricter judgment.

      The heavier judgment is on the teacher, the one in authority. 
      Considering the amount of total religious trash that the
      fellowship "teachers" have spewed out, there would be some heavy
      judgment coming.  They are so busy pronouncing judgment on anyone who
      rebels against their twisted teachings, that they never really
      consider what James said.  
      Pastors and teachers are supposed to be examples, not of overlords,
      but of Christian believers.
      1 Peter 5:2-4
      shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under
      compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not
      for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those
      allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock. And
      when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown
      of glory.

      When I look at the leading fellowship pastors, those at the top, I
      see something I don't want to be.  They are like arrogant CEOs.  How
      can anyone observe them and not conclude that they lord it over the
      people in the churches?  It is also interesting to watch how they
      treat the service people they interact with, i.e., waiters and
      waitresses, and hotel personnel, etc.  No Pharaoh of Egypt was ever
      more demanding.  Shepherds of God's flock? Not these guys.
      Add to this the fellowship doctrines that you were placed in your
      Waymanite church by the will of God, and that your pastor is a gift
      from God, and that if you leave your church and your pastor, you will
      be rebelling and missing your destiny, and losing your covering, you
      have a great formula for religious slavery.  And they will solomnly
      quote Hebrews 13:17, and tell you dare not disobey or question them,
      or they will have to give a lousy report before God about you on
      judgment day.  This has overtones of the idea that unless you please
      this "pastor," then God Himself will be really, really upset with

      All Hebrews 13:17 really means is that if you have someone teaching
      you the Word of God correctly, you should obey what it taught. 
      However, the New Testament also calls you to reject false teaching. 
      These guys get so mad when someone leaves their church and goes to
      another church that they agree with.  If you don't think your
      Potter's House pastor is teaching the Bible correctly, then you are
      obligated to leave and find a real Bible teacher.  In the fellowship
      they call that "rebellion." 

      You are not chained by God to any pastor or teacher. And yet the
      pastors and leaders in Wayman's World use that Scripture to chain you
      to their "ministry," and warn you that if you don't obey them, no
      matter what they say, then you will be in danger of hell fire.  It's
      not true. Read the whole Bible.

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