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  • naboth675
    Much appreciated. Thanks. ... slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, miguel_hayworth ... slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com,
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 1, 2006
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      Much appreciated. Thanks.


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      slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "miguel_hayworth"
      <miguel_hayworth@...> wrote:
      >
      > I am looking at the deadline for the end of summer this year.
      >
      > But will let you know also i will post ur dvd on hinn and satanism
      > next week.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In
      slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
      > <naboth675@> wrote:
      > >
      > > That was an interesting insight. By the way, how's work on the
      new
      > > website going? When do you reckon it will be ready?
      > >
      > > regards...naboth675
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In
      > >
      slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "miguel_hayworth"
      > > <miguel_hayworth@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > This is where they used the Bible out of context the reason
      why
      > we
      > > > should be as the bereans because they exocised decernment this
      > has
      > > > nothing to do with preaching, this is where they also used
      > > judgement
      > > > in decerning correct teaching from false teaching this is one
      of
      > my
      > > > many area`s that i have studied but the CFM will alway pre-
      text
      > the
      > > > bible, take verses out of context to make it mean some thing
      > else,
      > > the
      > > > bereans of the Bible were nothing like what CFM teaches it.
      > > >
      > > > infact the statement you made what they said, this has nothing
      > to
      > > do
      > > > with what they make the bible out to be.
      > > >
      > > > Infact in pauls day if you read they always were in question
      of
      > > their
      > > > leadership, the bereans always used the scriptures to
      determinate
      > > > wheather the person teaching is teaching from the bible or
      from
      > his
      > > > own understanding of it rather then the understanding that
      comes
      > > from
      > > > God and not from Man.
      > > >
      > > > God said that the wisdom of man is as foolishness to God.
      > > >
      > > > --- In
      > slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
      > > > <naboth675@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > On the subject of Bereans I recall my old pastor handing me
      a
      > > > > conference tape of one of the fellowship leaders when he
      > wanted
      > > to
      > > > > get me interested in preaching. The Preacher at the
      conference
      > > {Hank
      > > > > Houghton} said that the problem with some people in our
      > churches
      > > is
      > > > > that they have 'BEREANS DISEASE'. He then went on to explain
      > how
      > > > > these people would question what the pastor said instead of
      > just
      > > > > recieving it. Apparently to Houghton this is a disease and
      > > > > apparently to my pastor this sermon was an excellent
      > > introduction to
      > > > > the art and purpose of preaching.
      > > > >
      > > > > regards...naboth675
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In
      > > > >
      > >
      slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "miguel_hayworth"
      > > > > <miguel_hayworth@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I agree i can symperthise with you they apear very
      > > > > much "Carasmatic"
      > > > > > as some of the things many people describe is simular, I
      > have
      > > delt
      > > > > > very much for along time in the area of the CFM and some
      of
      > > the
      > > > > things
      > > > > > are OTT but its true that we need to becarfull what we see
      > and
      > > hear
      > > > > > but the Bible says be as the bereans, but be vigulant this
      > is
      > > one
      > > > > in
      > > > > > many area`s CFM are lacking in, but I always believe that
      we
      > > must
      > > > > do
      > > > > > what ever is pleasing to Jesus Christ.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > its right for me to say that for example I would not watch
      > > people
      > > > > > commiting homosexuality though i would talk to them.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > and I would witness to the prostitute as i have done in
      the
      > > past,
      > > > > but
      > > > > > I would not claim to be self-rightous.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > anyway you can see most of the work i do on
      > > www.firstplumbline.net
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In
      > > slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
      > > > > > <naboth675@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Good to hear from you, miguel. I think one of the
      problems
      > > cfm
      > > > > have
      > > > > > > is that they insist on preaching their beliefs with this
      > > > > absolute
      > > > > > > air of authority painting everything in terms of black
      and
      > > > > white,
      > > > > > > good and bad, for us or against God. Thus any chance of
      > > > > intelligent
      > > > > > > debate and discussion of any depth unless it agrees with
      > > their
      > > > > > > preconcieved ideas is quenched. That is the culture of
      the
      > > > > Potters
      > > > > > > House. Groups like this tend to become more and more
      > strange
      > > as
      > > > > time
      > > > > > > goes on unless that culture is challenged and changed.
      > Until
      > > it
      > > > > is
      > > > > > > we will continue to hear of kids entertainers being
      > labelled
      > > as
      > > > > > > demonic along with talking birds of paradise, secular
      > music,
      > > > > > > consumption of alcohol and even the furniture of former
      > > members.
      > > > > {I
      > > > > > > kid you not. One of their leaders teaches that a so
      called
      > > > > > > backslider's furniture is haunted.}
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > regards...naboth675
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In
      > > > > > >
      > > > >
      > >
      slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "miguel_hayworth"
      > > > > > > <miguel_hayworth@> wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > The is a diffrence between Magic and Magick there are
      > > verious
      > > > > > > types
      > > > > > > > of it entertainment magic is not the same as the
      occult
      > > magick
      > > > > > > that
      > > > > > > > the egyptions played around with these people were
      known
      > > as
      > > > > the
      > > > > > > magi
      > > > > > > > this is where you get diffrent terms that are used,
      > their
      > > are
      > > > > > > froms
      > > > > > > > or real magick that is used in the dark arts, i dont
      > want
      > > to
      > > > > go to
      > > > > > > > much in to explaining what the dark arts are because
      it
      > > may
      > > > > scare
      > > > > > > > some of you.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Yes it is true that white magick and Black magick are
      > the
      > > most
      > > > > > > > dangourus of the practices these things we should be
      > aware
      > > of
      > > > > > > > because these people also in their practice use ouja
      > > boards
      > > > > etc.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > the bible speaks out much against this form of
      practice,
      > > the
      > > > > use
      > > > > > > of
      > > > > > > > magic dose make people attracted to it because its
      > hidden
      > > and
      > > > > > > > mysterous this is what the word occult means.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > because alot of practices in the occult are very
      > > attractive to
      > > > > > > most
      > > > > > > > people this is why they are so involved with it, such
      as
      > > > > astrial
      > > > > > > > projection and Srying with is divernation and soucery
      > then
      > > you
      > > > > > > would
      > > > > > > > got the work used in the occult, pharmakon in the
      greek,
      > > with
      > > > > is a
      > > > > > > > term used by druid preats.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > anyway i think in regaurds to CFM they dont know what
      > they
      > > are
      > > > > > > > talking about, this used to be one of my major study
      > areas
      > > was
      > > > > > > > occutologie and demonologie.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Thus they make the same mistake as the sons of sceeva
      > did.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- In
      > > > > > >
      > slamthedoor_on_the_pottershouse@yahoogroups.com, "naboth675"
      > > > > > > > <naboth675@> wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > A few weeks ago one of my friends from work had a
      > > barbeque
      > > > > at
      > > > > > > his
      > > > > > > > house
      > > > > > > > > and it was there I had a surprise meeting.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > As soon as Andrew walked through the gate I
      recognised
      > > him
      > > > > even
      > > > > > > > though I
      > > > > > > > > had not seen him for several years. You see Andrew
      is
      > a
      > > > > magician
      > > > > > > > and
      > > > > > > > > childrens entertainer who occasionaly would perform
      in
      > > the
      > > > > town
      > > > > > > > centre
      > > > > > > > > while we were witnessing. I distincly recalkl one of
      > our
      > > > > > > disciples
      > > > > > > > > getting really ticked off with him because he
      wouldn't
      > > > > listen to
      > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > guy. {Fairs fair, the guy was actually working}.
      This
      > > > > disciple
      > > > > > > > seeing a
      > > > > > > > > man who was practicing witchcraft. {Yeah really. The
      > > > > fellowship
      > > > > > > > are that
      > > > > > > > > stupid} decided he needed to get saved and his
      refusal
      > > to
      > > > > listen
      > > > > > > > > resulted in a forceful demand that he take the man's
      > > leaflet
      > > > > > > which
      > > > > > > > was
      > > > > > > > > politely declined. I saw this and watched this
      > disciple
      > > walk
      > > > > > > back
      > > > > > > > to me
      > > > > > > > > complaining about the man's attitude.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Our first pastor didn't like him either. Andrew is
      > doing
      > > the
      > > > > > > > devils work
      > > > > > > > > apparently. Horsefeathers!!! This is the man who has
      a
      > > > > special
      > > > > > > > anointing
      > > > > > > > > and discernment. yeah right!
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > He warned us about people who do magic tricks and
      > > likened
      > > > > them
      > > > > > > to
      > > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > > magicians of Egypt during the days of Moses. For
      > crying
      > > out
      > > > > > > loud,
      > > > > > > > if
      > > > > > > > > anything testifies of the need for these men to get
      a
      > > > > seminary
      > > > > > > > education
      > > > > > > > > it is this. We would feel guilty if anyone showed us
      a
      > > card
      > > > > > > trick.
      > > > > > > > It
      > > > > > > > > was as if we were inviting satan himself to have
      > access
      > > to
      > > > > our
      > > > > > > > lives.
      > > > > > > > > What twisted cultic crap. Anyway I got the chance to
      > > speak
      > > > > to
      > > > > > > > Andrew
      > > > > > > > > after his performance. It turns out that he doesn't
      > even
      > > > > > > remember
      > > > > > > > us and
      > > > > > > > > when I told him of what I saw that day he even
      > > apologised if
      > > > > he
      > > > > > > > caused
      > > > > > > > > any offence. How about that! He did nothing wrong. I
      > > have to
      > > > > > > laugh
      > > > > > > > about
      > > > > > > > > this. My first pastor openly claimed that this man
      > hated
      > > us
      > > > > and
      > > > > > > our
      > > > > > > > > churchand had a problem with us yet when I spoke
      with
      > > him he
      > > > > > > > didn't even
      > > > > > > > > remember us and apologised if he caused any offence.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Incidently. Marty Carnighe hired the Tucson guy to
      > > perform
      > > > > at
      > > > > > > the
      > > > > > > > South
      > > > > > > > > London church about four years ago. I was there that
      > > night.
      > > > > Now
      > > > > > > you
      > > > > > > > > might just see the hypocrisy in the fellowship
      > attitude
      > > here
      > > > > but
      > > > > > > > you see
      > > > > > > > > this guy was accepted by Harold Warner so it was
      O.K.
      > > If
      > > > > he's
      > > > > > > not
      > > > > > > > then
      > > > > > > > > he's clearly an agent of satan.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Actually Andrew is just an ordinary guy like most of
      > us.
      > > I
      > > > > can
      > > > > > > > actualy
      > > > > > > > > say that as I bothered to hold down a civilised
      > > conversation
      > > > > > > with
      > > > > > > > him
      > > > > > > > > unlike some people I could mention who did little
      more
      > > than
      > > > > > > rudely
      > > > > > > > > thrust a leaflet in his face while he was speaking
      to
      > > > > someone
      > > > > > > else.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > By the way, his act was really good. so was the
      > > food...and
      > > > > the
      > > > > > > > beer. {Oh
      > > > > > > > > shock horror! Did I actually say that? LOL}
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > regards...having a 'magical' time outside the
      > > fellowship,
      > > > > > > naboth675
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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