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      >Date: 20 Sep 2001 10:44:10 -0000
      > skeptical@yahoogroups.comReply-To: skeptical@yahoogroups.com
      > skeptical@yahoogroups.com [skeptical] Digest Number 161
      >
      >There is 1 message in this issue.
      >
      >Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. A fairly trivial piece of debunking
      > From: "Eric Hamell" <stripey7@...>
      >
      >
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      >Message: 1
      > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:16:12 +0000
      > From: "Eric Hamell" <stripey7@...>
      >Subject: A fairly trivial piece of debunking
      >
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      >>From: Randy Fafie <ilovesatan@...>
      >>To: Emma Acal <LADYTNT@...>, Aimee Whisler
      >><hillbillycrackhoe@...>, Alexandra Cools
      >><alexandra.c@...>, amAzing BaZZ <amazingmaniac@...>,
      >>Dave Andriese <dave@...>, J-P Arie <j-p.arie@...>,
      >>Tess Burigatto <tessburigatto@...>, Kylie Cammirelli
      >><meandmycaddy@...>, Carol Soderlund <casoderlund@...>,
      >>Diana Castro <dianacfbcn@...>, Miguel Corchon <mcorchon@...>,
      >>Paz De Los Muros <rockinhexy@...>, Gijsbert Diteweg
      >><diteweg@...>, Eric Hamell <stripey7@...>, Melissa Ferus
      >><mferus@...>, Ries Haan <rieshaan@...>, Harm Spoelstra
      >><harmshapes@...>, "Houssard, Olivier"
      >><Olivier.Houssard@...>, Julia Wuschel <Sitharda@...>,
      >>Lodewijk <sirflow@...>, Manuel Lopez <meanmanuel@...>, Missy
      >><maleficent29@...>, mike Z <mikez@...>, Peter Van Vliet
      >><p.v.vliet@...>, Rachid Schrik <novocane@...>, Raymond
      >>Roelands <raymondr@...>, Rebekah <Sk8skank@...>, Sasha
      >>Wingate <swingate@...>, Willy <willybop@...>
      >>Subject: strange....
      >>Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:11:49 +0200
      >>
      >>
      >>
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      >>Van: "Margarett Furtado" <datelessnight@...>
      >>Datum: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:06:08 +0000
      >>Aan: ilovesatan@...
      >>Onderwerp: Do coincidences exist?
      >
      >Yes they do, and only selective perception makes them seem so unlikely.
      >Humans are pattern-seeking animals -- "significance junkies" as Carl Sagan
      >put it. In the wild it was far safer to avoid something you got sick after
      >one time, even if it wasn't the real cause, than to keep eating it. So
      >finding patterns was strongly selected for.
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > This is really strange...
      >> >
      >> > Day of the attack = 11
      >> >
      >> > Date of the attack 11/9: 9 + 1 + 1 = 11
      >
      >This simply reflects the fact that in a decimal numeral system, 9 leaves any
      >digit sum unaltered. Therefore the same will apply to any day in September,
      >e.g., 19/9: 1 + 9 + 9 = 19.
      >
      >> > 11 of September is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11
      >
      >For a similar reason as above, this will apply in September of any non-leap
      >year, e.g., 5/9/61 was the 248th day of the year and 2 + 4 + 8 = 14 just as
      >5 + 9 = 14.
      >
      >> >
      >> > After the 11th of September there are 111 days till the end of the
      >>year
      >> >.
      >> >
      >> > The 'Twin Towers' - standing side by side look like the number 11
      >
      >1 + 1 + 1 = 3. Were they the Triple Towers or the Twin Towers?
      >
      >> > The first flight to hit the towers was flight number 11
      > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >> > but there is more:
      >> >
      >> > The state of New York - is the 11th state.
      >>
      >> > New York City - 11 letters
      >> >
      >> > Afghanistan - 11 Letters
      >> >
      >> > The Pentagon - 11 Letters
      >
      >World Trade Center -- 16 letters
      >
      >> > Ramzi Yousef - 11 Letters (author of the attempt on the WTC in 1993)
      >
      >Full name is Ramzi Ahmed Yousef -- 16 letters.
      >
      >> > Flight number 11 - had 92 passengers : 9 + 2 = 11
      >> >
      >> > Flight number 77 - had 65 passengers : 6 + 5 = 11
      >
      >7 + 7 = 14.
      >
      >> > To end with something stronger do the next exercise:
      >> > 1. open MS Word.
      >
      >Why not another piece of software? Because it wouldn't give you 11?
      >
      >> > 2. write NY (in capital letters).
      >
      >Why capitals? And why not include the C?
      >
      >> > 3. underline.
      >
      >Why underline?
      >
      >> > 4. use font size 72.
      >
      >Why that font size, of all the possibilities? 7 + 2 = 9, not 11.
      >
      >> > 5. pick font Windings.
      >
      >Why that font of all possible fonts?
      >
      >> > what do you see?
      >
      >I see someone spending a lot of time to try and find a coincidence...nay
      >more, I almost certainly see a computer geek who deliberately *figured out*
      >what font, font size, etc. would produce a spooky result.
      >
      >> >sinister isn't it....
      >
      >In this particular case it may be harmless enough, but such uncritical
      >thinking -- pattern seeking run amok -- can sometimes have tragic
      >consequences. Consider the Oklahoma City bombing,
      >rationalized by right-wing conspiracy theories pieced together by the same
      >kind of tenuous reasoning. I see no reason to encourage such mental habits.
      >
      >Eric Hamell
      >


      hear hear! i hate these misinformed people who can find all sorts of crap using numerology, after all, there just numbers..

      tbt.



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