CSICOP and Skeptic society . . making up?
for years, there's been tension and many rumors of backbiting between the
two major skeptics groups. It's been the older more refined East Coast
Skeptics competing with the Californian upstart. Many skeptics have
had mixed feelings on this - on one hand it may have forced CSICOP to improve
their publication - but also there's been a fear we'd end up having a East
Coast and West Coast group both claiming to be the world skeptic group. CSICOP has had a tighter link to the local groups, but Randi seems to have appeared more in Shermer's mag than CSICOP's. I feel that there is plenty of nonsense for us all to attack. But, anyhow - below we have Mike Shermer speaking
at a CSICOP Center For Inquiry:
E-SKEPTIC FOR MAY 25
Copyright Skeptics Society, Skeptic magazine, Michael Shermer
This edition of e-Skeptic includes:
SHERMER TO SPEAK AT AHA CONFERENCE + CSICOP/CENTER FOR INQUIRY
RICHARD DAWKINS LETTER TO PRINCE CHARLES ABOUT SCIENCE
NEW TESTS ON THE SHROUD OF TURIN
SHERMER TO SPEAK AT AHA + CSICOP/CENTER FOR INQUIRY
On Thursday, Friday, and Saturday I will be attending the American Humanist
Association annual conference at the Hilton Hotel in Hasbrouck Heights, New
Jersey (very close to New York, also being sponsored by the American Ethical
On Friday morning, June 2, I will be presenting a lecture on Holocaust Denial
based on my latest book, DENYING HISTORY (to be released in a couple of weeks
by the University of California Press). I've just put together a 140-slide
show that is very visually powerful and not only debunks the deniers, but
shows how we prove that the Holocaust happened, or how any historical event
On Saturday morning, June 3, I will be presenting a lecture on Why People
Believe in God based on my last book, HOW WE BELIEVE, as well as showing some
episodes from my television series Exploring the Unknown.
Saturday evening, June 3, I will be presented with the first annual Carl
Sagan Award (by Ann Druyan, Carl's widow, no less), following by a short
lecture I developed for a CSPAN show on the life of Sagan, in which I do a
quantitative analysis of his life like a social scientist would analyze a
subject. That was the subject of my last essay in Skeptic, "The Measure of a
Life: Carl Sagan and the Science of Biography."
On Sunday evening, June 4, 7pm I will be speaking at the Buffalo, NY
headquarters on WHY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD.
For directions to or further information call 716/636-1425 or e-mail Barry
Karr at skeptinq@... or go to their web page at http://www.csicop.org We
will also be discussing ways for our organizations to cooperate in our mutual
fight against pseudoscience.
I know there are many of you on the east coast whom I have not had a chance
to meet so if you can make it next week I'll see you there.
RICHARD DAWKINS LETTER TO PRINCE CHARLES ABOUT SCIENCE
I thought you would all enjoy this beautifully written statement on the value
of science by Richard Dawkins to Prince Charles, in response to a speech he
gave (web connections below) that was less than rational.
Reith Lectures 2000: RESPECT FOR THE EARTH - Can Sustainable Development be
made to work in the real world?
Lecture by Prince Charles followed by a discussion
An open letter from Richard Dawkins to Prince Charles
Prince courts controversy as he places the nature of God above the god of
science by James Meek
Angry Charles warns scientists of disaster
Guardian Unlimited Special reports: GM debate
"Don't turn your back on science"
An open letter from biologist Richard Dawkins to Prince Charles
Sunday May 21, 2000 THE OBSERVER
Your Royal Highness,
Your Reith lecture saddened me. I have deep sympathy for your aims, and
admiration for your sincerity. But your hostility to science will not serve
those aims; and your embracing of an ill-assorted jumble of mutually
contradictory alternatives will lose you the respect that I think you
deserve. I forget who it was who remarked: 'Of course we must be
open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.'
Let's look at some of the alternative philosophies which you seem to prefer
over scientific reason. First, intuition, the heart's wisdom 'rustling like
a breeze through the leaves'. Unfortunately, it depends whose intuition you
choose. Where aims (if not methods) are concerned, your own intuitions
coincide with mine. I wholeheartedly share your aim of long-term
stewardship of our planet, with its diverse and complex biosphere.
But what about the instinctive wisdom in Saddam Hussein's black heart?
What price the Wagnerian wind that rustled Hitler's twisted leaves? The
Yorkshire Ripper heard religious voices in his head urging him to kill. How
do we decide which intuitive inner voices to heed?
This, it is important to say, is not a dilemma that science can solve. My
own passionate concern for world stewardship is as emotional as yours. But
where I allow feelings to influence my aims, when it comes to deciding the
best method of achieving them I'd rather think than feel. And thinking,
here, means scientific thinking. No more effective method exists. If it
did, science would incorporate it.
Next, Sir, I think you may have an exaggerated idea of the naturalness of
'traditional' or 'organic' agriculture. Agriculture has always been
unnatural. Our species began to depart from our natural hunter-gatherer
lifestyle as recently as 10,000 years ago - too short to measure on the
Wheat, be it ever so wholemeal and stoneground, is not a natural food for
Homo sapiens. Nor is milk, except for children. Almost every morsel of
our food is genetically modified - admittedly by artificial selection not
artificial mutation, but the end result is the same. A wheat grain is a
genetically modified grass seed, just as a pekinese is a genetically
modified wolf. Playing God? We've been playing God for centuries!
The large, anonymous crowds in which we now teem began with the
agricultural revolution, and without agriculture we could survive in only a
tiny fraction of our current numbers. Our high population is an
agricultural (and technological and medical) artifact. It is far more
unnatural than the population-limiting methods condemned as unnatural by
the Pope. Like it or not, we are stuck with agriculture, and agriculture -
all agriculture - is unnatural. We sold that pass 10,000 years ago.
Does that mean there's nothing to choose between different kinds of
agriculture when it comes to sustainable planetary welfare? Certainly not.
Some are much more damaging than others, but it's no use appealing to
'nature', or to 'instinct' in order to decide which ones. You have to study
the evidence, soberly and reasonably - scientifically. Slashing and burning
(incidentally, no agricultural system is closer to being 'traditional')
destroys our ancient forests. Overgrazing (again, widely practiced by
'traditional' cultures) causes soil erosion and turns fertile pasture into
desert. Moving to our own modern tribe, monoculture, fed by powdered
fertilizers and poisons, is bad for the future; indiscriminate use of
antibiotics to promote livestock growth is worse.
Incidentally, one worrying aspect of the hysterical opposition to the
possible risks from GM crops is that it diverts attention from definite
dangers which are already well understood but largely ignored. The
evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria is something that a
Darwinian might have foreseen from the day antibiotics were discovered.
Unfortunately the warning voices have been rather quiet, and now they are
drowned by the baying cacophony: 'GM GM GM GM GM GM!'
Moreover if, as I expect, the dire prophecies of GM doom fail to
materialize, the feeling of let-down may spill over into complacency about
real risks. Has it occurred to you that our present GM brouhaha may be a
terrible case of crying wolf?
Even if agriculture could be natural, and even if we could develop some
sort of instinctive rapport with the ways of nature, would nature be a good
role model? Here, we must think carefully. There really is a sense in which
ecosystems are balanced and harmonious, with some of their constituent
species becoming mutually dependent. This is one reason the corporate
thuggery that is destroying the rainforests is so criminal.
On the other hand, we must beware of a very common misunderstanding of
Darwinism. Tennyson was writing before Darwin but he got it right. Nature
really is red in tooth and claw. Much as we might like to believe
otherwise, natural selection, working within each species, does not favor
long-term stewardship. It favors short-term gain. Loggers, whalers, and
other profiteers who squander the future for present greed, are only doing
what all wild creatures have done for three billion years.
No wonder T.H. Huxley, Darwin's bulldog, founded his ethics on a
repudiation of Darwinism. Not a repudiation of Darwinism as science, of
course, for you cannot repudiate truth. But the very fact that Darwinism is
true makes it even more important for us to fight against the naturally
selfish and exploitative tendencies of nature. We can do it. Probably no
other species of animal or plant can. We can do it because our brains
(admittedly given to us by natural selection for reasons of short-term
Darwinian gain) are big enough to see into the future and plot long-term
consequences. Natural selection is like a robot that can only climb uphill,
even if this leaves it stuck on top of a measly hillock. There is no
mechanism for going downhill, for crossing the valley to the lower slopes
of the high mountain on the other side. There is no natural foresight, no
mechanism for warning that present selfish gains are leading to species
extinction - and indeed, 99 per cent of all species that have ever lived
The human brain, probably uniquely in the whole of evolutionary history,
can see across the valley and can plot a course away from extinction and
towards distant uplands. Long-term planning - and hence the very
possibility of stewardship - is something utterly new on the planet, even
alien. It exists only in human brains. The future is a new invention in
evolution. It is precious. And fragile. We must use all our scientific
artifice to protect it.
It may sound paradoxical, but if we want to sustain the planet into the
future, the first thing we must do is stop taking advice from nature.
Nature is a short-term Darwinian profiteer. Darwin himself said it: 'What a
book a devil's chaplain might write on the clumsy, wasteful, blundering,
low, and horridly cruel works of nature.'
Of course that's bleak, but there's no law saying the truth has to be
cheerful; no point shooting the messenger - science - and no sense in
preferring an alternative world view just because it feels more
comfortable. In any case, science isn't all bleak. Nor, by the way, is
science an arrogant know-all. Any scientist worthy of the name will warm to
your quotation from Socrates: 'Wisdom is knowing that you don't know.' What
else drives us to find out?
What saddens me most, Sir, is how much you will be missing if you turn your
back on science. I have tried to write about the poetic wonder of science
myself, but may I take the liberty of presenting you with a book by another
author? It is The Demon-Haunted World by the lamented Carl Sagan. I'd call
your attention especially to the subtitle: Science as a Candle in the Dark.
Richard Dawkins is the Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public
Understanding of Science at Oxford University. His latest book is
'Unweaving the Rainbow' .
For those of your not familiar with the Skeptics Society or have not seen
Skeptic magazine, see our web page: http://www.skeptic.com
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I think Dawkins made a great tactful response to Prince Charles, my response
would have been something along the lines of "Listen here you inbreed,
Dumbo-eared, anachronistic flake. Maybe you should go back to screwing
up marriages rather that bite the scientific hand that feeds us all".
Eric Krieg eric@...