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  • Eric Krieg
    In other news, James Randi could use a little help for his programs. Contact me to get more information. There is now a South African Skeptics group, they send
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 5, 2000
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      In other news, James Randi could use a little help for his programs.
      Contact me to get more information.

      There is now a South African Skeptics group, they send out the following

      > Text of Skeptus Press Release 01:
      > Are you interested in the paranormal? Ghosts, UFOs and psychic powers? How
      > about aliens, ESP and alternative medicine? Then you may want to join
      > Skeptus, a newly formed society at the University of Stellenbosch.
      > Membership is open to students and members of the public who are open-minded
      > and interested in critically investigating claims of the paranormal from a
      > responsible and scientific point of view.
      > As sceptics, we try to promote the use of science and critical thinking as
      > tools for investigating the world, explore anomalous (paranormal and
      > supernatural) claims from a responsible and scientific point of view, and
      > remain open-minded while insisting that extraordinary claims require
      > extraordinary proof. We are not cynical, “know-it-all”, “negative”,
      > hyper–critical, nor atheistic in outlook.
      > On Thursday, 23rd March, at 19:00, the society will hold its first public
      > meeting. Dr Jurie van den Heever, of the Zoology Department of the
      > University of Stellenbosch, will present a talk, “What is scepticism?”, in
      > Room 2020, Natural Sciences building, US Campus (between the Gericke Library
      > and Merriman Street). After the discussion session, the broader goals of the
      > society will be considered and there will be an opportunity to become a member.
      > # # #
      > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
      > | Auke Slotegraaf, 8 Forelle Crescent, Die Boord, Stellenbosch, 7600
      > | auke@... | DOC webhome at http://home.global.co.za/~auke
      > | Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time
      > | he will pick himself up and continue on. - Winston Churchill


      Eric Krieg eric@...


      PS: I close with a good response to spontaneous human combustion claims:

      To the Editor:

      Rev. Curtis (Intell, 23 March) argues that creationism should be taught in

      Here's a fact: humans and chimpanzees share over 98% of the same genetic
      code. This suggests that the DNA of both species is inherited from a common
      ancestor. In addition, more than 95% of the genome is "junk DNA" that has
      no biological purpose; and yet this junk has also been inherited.

      Creationists say that a god created human beings separately from all other
      creatures, but why would a designer make mankind with a genetic code that is
      over 95% junk in the first place? And why copy so much junk DNA from a
      supposedly unrelated ape species? If these were books, this would be

      Here's another fact: under northwestern Lancaster County , there's a mass
      of basalt over 1500 feet thick, about 20 cubic miles, which was once molten
      lava over 1,800 degrees F and which baked the surrounding sandstones. There
      is no sign that water ever ran through this lava to transfer heat away.
      Using standard physics, one can calculate that it takes millions of years
      for that much lava to cool. Can young-earth creationists explain how it
      cooled down in only 6,000 years? Scientifically, they can't.

      Centuries ago, the Church that persecuted Galileo knew he was telling the
      truth, but they suppressed his discoveries in order to maintain control and
      to 'protect' the people from a godless world. Similarly, today's
      creationists misuse scientific findings to protect their religious faith.
      This is not science, and should not be taught in the schools as such.

      -----Original Message-----

      Czigler Martin wrote:
      > The April issue of Central PA magazine (the schedule guide for public
      > TV/radio station WITF) has an article on Spontaneous Human Combustion (SHC)
      > and Larry Arnold, a resident in this area, author of "Ablaze! The Mysterious
      > Fires of Spontaneous Human Combustion". Below is a letter I've submitted to
      > the editor of Central PA magazine. Below that is a note I wrote about a
      > lecture by Arnold that I attended in October of 1998.
      > ------------
      > Although I mostly enjoy Central PA, I was disappointed in the poorly
      > researched tabloid-style article on Spontaneous Human Combustion (SHC).
      > A little digging (e.g. a review of Mr. Arnold's book at
      > www.csicop.org/si/9611/shc.html) would have revealed a strong correlation
      > between SHC and obesity, smoking, alcohol or drug use, and carelessness with
      > fire. Mr. Arnold's own research has shown that the vast majority of cases
      > occur in winter, when coincidentally people tend to be indoors, bundled up,
      > by a roaring fire. The outrageous theories dramatized by SHC proponents
      > fail to explain these facts, and these extraordinary claims defy physics and
      > chemistry as understood today.
      > In the Mary Reeser case, she was last seen wearing a flammable nightdress
      > and housecoat, and she was smoking while seated in an overstuffed armchair.
      > She was a "plump" woman, had taken two Seconal that day and planned to
      > two more in the evening. John Bentley, who died in 1966, not the early
      > 1970s, was well known for dropping hot ashes from his pipe onto his clothes,
      > which were dotted with burn spots.
      > SHC believers often mention the high temperatures used to cremate bodies.
      > Experiments have demonstrated that bodies can be burnt to a cinder at low,
      > smoldering temperatures, where cloth or upholstery acts as a candlewick for
      > melting fat. Crematoria use much higher temperatures in order to quickly
      > reduce bodies to ash.
      > If Central PA continues to cover the paranormal, I hope a better-balanced
      > presentation that would include a skeptical viewpoint. We readers deserve
      > better journalism.
      > ------------
      > I attended a lecture on Spontaneous Human Combustion (SHC) on Tuesday, Oct.
      > 28, 1998 at Lebanon Valley College here in Lancaster County. The speaker
      > was Larry Arnold, founder? of ParaScience International in Harrisburg. His
      > Web site is http://www.voicenet.com/~psinet, but there doesn't seem to be
      > any content there. He is author of Ablaze! The Mysterious Fires of
      > Spontaneous Human Combustion, which appears to be self-published, as well as
      > a two volumes of videos with the same name. The lecture was sponsored by
      > the Student Committee at LVC, and was attended primarily by students.
      > He showed many slides of photographs of the gory results of many historical
      > cases of (alleged) SHC, as well as videos with interviews with fire
      > officials, etc. Many of the cases discussed are historical, and are
      > discussed by Joe Nickell in his chapter on SHC in _Secrets of the
      > Supernatural_ (e.g., Bentley, Mary Reeser, several others). Others are
      > more recent, such as a George Mott in 1986. I was able to read a paragraph
      > of Nickell's book on the Bentley case to the audience, pointing out details
      > left unmentioned by Arnold. Arnold had some response but I hope my
      > "contribution" helped a little.
      > There were also some stories of people who have "survived" SHC, such as Jack
      > Angel whose right arm burned off without him being aware of it. A Mr. Jones
      > began to "smoke" in bed, and his wife helped to put out the smoke. Later
      > that same day, Mr. Jones claimed to have also begun to "smoke" in his car,
      > but it stopped shortly afterward on its own. An Elizabeth Norris claims
      > arms began to smoke. A Kay Fletcher, who appeared on Unsolved Mysteries in
      > 1996, claims she felt a warmth on her back and there was smoke and the smell
      > of burning flesh for one and half minutes. There's another case from India
      > in 1970, with someone who is claimed to be 114 years old, accompanied by a
      > "perfume-like smell". A Mel Thomson rushed to the bathroom to find her
      > underwear smoldering and a 3-inch burn mark on her bottom. I'm not familiar
      > with any of these cases, but they don't appear to be consistent (some feel
      > heat, others don't).
      > Arnold used many of the the same arguments that Nickell has discussed, such
      > as the claimed high heat required to burn flesh and bone in crematoria.
      > There were claims of a lack of heat damage to the surrounding apartment.
      > Amazingly, for one case he stated there was no heat damage to the ceiling
      > while the photograph on the screen clearly showed large dark smoke damage
      > stains on the wall. He also mentioned the alleged "shrunken skulls". And
      > he claimed that often there was a sweet smell at the site, not a greasy
      > burnt smell. (This slightly contradicts Elizabeth Norris case above, who
      > did smell something burning.)
      > There were summaries statistics of SHC cases, seeming to indicate a
      > correlation with the phases of the moon, and also with solar/magnetic
      > anomalies. His statistics also indicated to me that there are clearly more
      > cases in the winter and on weekends, although he uses these statistics to
      > say that not all cases are in the winter or on weekends as claimed by
      > "experts". He also states that not all cases happen to obese people (citing
      > the case of a baby, but with no details), or to people who are alone. He
      > did not mention the correlation that Joe Nickel had found between the amount
      > of damage to the body and the amount of external fuel available.
      > There were claims of "fire-leynes" in Britain, i.e. that SHC cases fall on
      > various straight lines drawn on a map. Arnold mentions that if four cases
      > fall on a straight line, it's statistically significant. But he didn't
      > mention that if you have many dozen random points on a map, there's a high
      > probability that several sets of 4 points will line up, which is what his
      > map looked like.
      > Arnold left the causes of SHC as a mystery, but mentioned the possibility of
      > UFOs (which he claimed are for real) and unknown energies.
      > Arnold left an impression of a glib entertainer, assuring the students at
      > the beginning that they would enjoy his presentation and the gory photos.
      > He used the argument that we don't know everything, and that the
      > are often wrong (examples included Plato and Einstein), and heaped scorn on
      > the experts who deny SHC (including Nickell). He is also involved with
      the > Fortean society somehow, and at the end of his show he stated that there are
      > all kinds of mysterious things, if we only open our minds to them. He'll be
      > appearing on the Howard Stern show next Wednesday (I think).
    • eric krieg
      a neat publication from the Texas Skeptics: http://www.ntskeptics.org/2001/2001january/january2001.htm Randi made a good point: how come the psychics didn t
      Message 2 of 6 , Jan 2, 2001
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        a neat publication from the Texas Skeptics:

        Randi made a good point: "how come the psychics didn't warn Kennedy not to fly?"

        I usually do not take on purely religious claims. But if they come knocking on my door, then they are fair game. Feel free, anyone to respond to the following offer:


        From: "Araq Jormungand" <araq@...>


        Would you happen to know anyone that can refute any of the evidence there?
        -- =============================

        The following are some good skeptical jokes found at:

        A Psychic Fair is like a sanitation department strike - until one occurs you don't realize how much garbage is out there!

        A Reflexologist told me that pressure on different parts of the foot controls blood flow to various organs in the body. I
        said, in that case shift your weight, I don't think enough blood's reaching your brain.

        I was regressed to a former life where I lived in a huge palace where I was surrounded by hundreds of naked concubines
        - unfortunately I was a eunuch!

        When TV offers us "food for thought" why is it so often junk food?

        Some Books that Prometheus missed:

        The Origins of the Specious - The roots of Creationism

        Gullibles Travels - Journeys through the world of parapsychology.

        Across The World in 80-Days - A flat earthers adventure.

        A Fortune In Men's Eyes - Get rich with Iridology.


        Taking the Mask Off Pseudoscience

        December 21, 2000


        ERIK MAX FRANCIS is so passionate about the theory and practice of
        modern science that in the last year alone he has posted 9,460
        messages in scores of online user groups devoted topics like
        relativity, astronomy and neuroscience.

        Mr. Francis, 29, is not a scientist, and has taken only a handful
        of classes at a community college, but he is a self-educated
        computer programmer from San Jose, Calif., who just happens to be
        comfortable, he says, discussing the theories and applications of
        mathematical physics, vector algebra and calculus.

        Ten years ago, Mr. Francis started talking online with other
        people who shared his interests. Along with lively discussions with
        the other science enthusiasts, Mr. Francis often found himself
        debating people who espoused bizarre theories that were more
        science fiction than science. The more Mr. Francis argued with
        them, the more they dug in their heels.

        Mr. Francis began thinking of these people as cranks, reasoning
        that science is an ever-evolving process, and scientists change
        their views as they make new discoveries that tear down old
        assumptions. On the other hand, "a crank has already made up his
        mind, evidence one way or another will not make him change it," Mr.
        Francis said.

        In 1996, Mr. Francis created a separate file in his computer to
        keep track of the cranks and their Web sites. In 1997, he spun off
        his quickly sprawling file into a separate domain, and dubbed it
        Crank Dot Net (www.crank.net).

        Today, Crank Dot Net is an index of about 1,000 of these sites.
        Through it, Mr. Francis performs the role of vigilante, by ranking
        and categorizing Web sites propounding pseudoscience that Mr.
        Francis says is misleading and simply ridiculous. On Crank Dot Net,
        Mr. Francis pulls a quote from each site that he feels best defines
        it, then ranks the sites as "Cranky (Downright strange), Crankiest,
        (above and beyond the normal call of the crank), and Illucid,
        (Something so beyond understanding that it defies classification)."

        Among the sites listed by Mr. Francis are ones espousing time
        travel, teleportation, alchemy, crop circles and the idea that the
        Earth is hollow. There are several sites dedicated to an old
        favorite, cold fusion, which created a sensation when it was
        announced in 1989 but now is largely dismissed by the scientific

        Initially, Mr. Francis said, he kept track of these kinds of sites
        for his own amusement, in an effort to study their abnormal
        psychology. What struck him was how television has influenced
        pseudo-science. "It's surprising to me how many scientific cranks
        think pseudoscience and technobabble are really how science gets
        done," wrote Mr. Francis in an e-mail message, blaming the thinking
        on the influence of "Star Trek."

        Mr. Francis said he had also come to believe that many people
        create their own scientific theories because they simply don't
        understand the real ones. Since math is fundamental to science and
        many people are math illiterate, he said, they simply think words
        will do. To Mr. Francis, words are simply not enough.

        Crank Dot Net's sorting and filtering function for strange stuff
        on the Web has taken on a wider import: helping site visitors see
        fallacy for what it is. To that end, Mr. Francis also lists extreme
        religions, white supremacists and hatemongers on the site, along
        with crystal healers and victims of alien abductions.

        Mr. Francis isn't the only Web vigilante out there devoted to
        pin-pointing fallacy to encourage critical thinking. Phil Plaitt,
        the Web master of Bad Astronomy started his site
        (www.badastronomy.com) devoted to exposing myths about astronomy
        because he was, he says "full of righteous fury," after watching a
        TV news reader on a national network morning show give a report on
        the space shuttle then laugh on air that he had no idea what he was
        talking about.

        "I have a passion for the rightness of science," said Mr. Plaitt,
        an astronomer and a friend of Mr. Francis. "Science works. It's a
        pretty good way to describe the universe." Mr. Plaitt suggests that
        sites like Bad Astronomy and Crank Dot Net provide a "process to
        separate the rational from the irrational."

        As the Internet expands to give every person a platform to say
        whatever he wants about the way the universe works, (a good thing,
        in both Mr. Francis's and Mr. Plaitt's view), it behooves people
        like Mr. Francis, Mr. Plaitt and the Webmaster of similar sites,
        like Quintessence of the Loon (www.ratbags.com/loon) to put them in

        In addition to the pseudoscience sites, Crank Dot Net features an
        anticrank category that lists sites "fighting crankism, debunking
        bad science and promoting logic."

        Crank Dot Net also flags sites that are parodies. Sometimes, Mr.
        Francis admits, it is tough separating the parodies from the real
        thing. Sometimes, he has ranked a site as cranky, only to be
        corrected by site visitors.

        "It's really hard to tell the difference," Mr. Francis said. "The
        crankiest people, literally, they are talking and you are giggling
        and what they're saying is ridiculous, but they are serious."

        Mr. Francis said he received several submissions daily suggesting
        sites to mention. Many of the submissions come from cranky
        Webmasters. In fact, Mr. Francis said he rarely gets complaints
        from the Webmasters he's clearly criticizing on the site. "Most are
        quite pleased," he said. "By no means is Crank Dot Net considered a
        hostile resource by people who are listed there."

        Mr. Francis recently listed Greatdreams.com and rated it
        "crankiest." Almost immediately, he received an e-mail message from
        Dee Finney, the site's Webmaster, thanking him for the listing.

        "Our main thrust is to educate people to watch their dreams," Mrs.
        Finney said. `In their dreams you see the future. "We're tickled to
        be listed. He has got the best links on his site to any educational
        subject that we actually favor."

        The New York Times on the Web


        Eric Krieg eric@...

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