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Re: [sig] Ukraine Costuming page

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  • Tim Nalley
    Got to agree there but differ only slightly in pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in the
    Message 1 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
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      Got to agree there but differ only slightly in
      pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the
      dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in
      the 16C when Stephen Bathory, former prince of
      Transylvania, was invited to be King of Poland by the
      Polish Senate, an brought his Haduk soldiers into
      Cracow and Warsaw in their "eastern fashions". Also,
      the fashion had started to morph earlier than that as
      witnessed in the Battle of Orsa" painting which shows
      Polish riders wearinga mixture of Western fashions
      populat during the Jagellion Dynasty and eastern
      fashions popular in Hungary and Ruthenia, popularised
      by contacts with the Turks after the Battle of Mohacs
      just a few short years before.
      'dak
      --- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
      <jenne@...> wrote:

      > > Actually, I would put this argument on its head,
      > at least
      > > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume,
      > at least for men,
      > > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from
      > Eastern inflences -
      > > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian.
      > Specifically, my belief is
      > > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area
      > picked up the common
      > > local military fashions as their own, which
      > because common
      > > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles
      > picked it up from
      > > the Lithuanians.
      >
      > Well, it seems that there was a set of military
      > fashions that were
      > Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century
      > that were
      > roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've
      > seen still show a
      > pretty standard German/Italian influence in the
      > costumes, but with the
      > zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.
      >
      > --
      > -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika
      > jenne@...
      > "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a
      > Communist or a
      > Republican." - Karen Schneider
      >





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