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Re: [sig] Ukraine Costuming page

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  • Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
    ... Well, it seems that there was a set of military fashions that were Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century that were roman/byzantine
    Message 1 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
      > Actually, I would put this argument on its head, at least
      > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume, at least for men,
      > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from Eastern inflences -
      > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian. Specifically, my belief is
      > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area picked up the common
      > local military fashions as their own, which because common
      > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles picked it up from
      > the Lithuanians.

      Well, it seems that there was a set of military fashions that were
      Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century that were
      roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've seen still show a
      pretty standard German/Italian influence in the costumes, but with the
      zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.

      --
      -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne@...
      "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a Communist or a
      Republican." - Karen Schneider
    • Tim Nalley
      Got to agree there but differ only slightly in pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in the
      Message 2 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
        Got to agree there but differ only slightly in
        pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the
        dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in
        the 16C when Stephen Bathory, former prince of
        Transylvania, was invited to be King of Poland by the
        Polish Senate, an brought his Haduk soldiers into
        Cracow and Warsaw in their "eastern fashions". Also,
        the fashion had started to morph earlier than that as
        witnessed in the Battle of Orsa" painting which shows
        Polish riders wearinga mixture of Western fashions
        populat during the Jagellion Dynasty and eastern
        fashions popular in Hungary and Ruthenia, popularised
        by contacts with the Turks after the Battle of Mohacs
        just a few short years before.
        'dak
        --- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
        <jenne@...> wrote:

        > > Actually, I would put this argument on its head,
        > at least
        > > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume,
        > at least for men,
        > > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from
        > Eastern inflences -
        > > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian.
        > Specifically, my belief is
        > > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area
        > picked up the common
        > > local military fashions as their own, which
        > because common
        > > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles
        > picked it up from
        > > the Lithuanians.
        >
        > Well, it seems that there was a set of military
        > fashions that were
        > Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century
        > that were
        > roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've
        > seen still show a
        > pretty standard German/Italian influence in the
        > costumes, but with the
        > zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.
        >
        > --
        > -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika
        > jenne@...
        > "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a
        > Communist or a
        > Republican." - Karen Schneider
        >





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