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  • Lente
    don t know why but this just reminded me that I saw a book on _Ukraine Embroidery_ that has a bunch of pictures of the more modern folk dress, I don t remember
    Message 1 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
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      don't know why but this just reminded me that I saw a book on _Ukraine
      Embroidery_ that has a bunch of pictures of the more modern folk dress, I
      don't remember if it goes into how the folk dress developed or not but had
      some wonderful designs and in the last chapter or so it had instructions for
      making a shirt with embroidery. since it is spesicfally on the Ukraine
      embroidery it may be better than the general folk costumes books. Another
      book to maybe look for is called _Costumes of the East_ has a bit of text on
      the balkans, casasus and ukraines region, some line drawings and possibly
      some pictures.

      Kathws

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Susan Koziel" <kataryna_dragonweaver@...>
      To: <sig@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:30 AM
      Subject: Re: Re[4]: [sig] Ukraine Costuming page


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      > --- Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik <Posadnik@...>
      > wrote:
      >>
      >> Well.... First, Ukraine was never my specific
      >> interest. All I have is the well-known book on
      >> costume of Eastern Europe peoples (Moscow, 198* -
      >> can't remember the exact title being at work, here
      >> it is often mentioned as a source reliable but
      >> rather generalized), there is a chapter about
      >> Ukraine.
      >
      > I just thought I'd ask.
      > :)
      > If you manage to dig up the title one of these days
      > that would be great.
      >
      >> Second, Ukraine, being a Lietuvan-Polish province
      >> inlate period, had borrowed much from the Polish
      >> costume. Thus, speaking of wealthy people's costume,
      >> I'd suggest it could include up to 3/4 of imported
      >> items - as status symbols, especially in late
      >> period.
      >
      > Yes, I realize that but because the area tended to be
      > such a mix of cultures I'd kind of like to see how
      > they put the pieces together - and find some primary
      > sources from the area as back up.
      > Anyhow thanks for the info on the webpage, when I get
      > the real book I'll see what I can do about getting a
      > translation & report how it is as a source.
      > ;)
      > -Kataryna
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    • Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
      ... Well, it seems that there was a set of military fashions that were Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century that were roman/byzantine
      Message 2 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
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        > Actually, I would put this argument on its head, at least
        > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume, at least for men,
        > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from Eastern inflences -
        > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian. Specifically, my belief is
        > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area picked up the common
        > local military fashions as their own, which because common
        > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles picked it up from
        > the Lithuanians.

        Well, it seems that there was a set of military fashions that were
        Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century that were
        roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've seen still show a
        pretty standard German/Italian influence in the costumes, but with the
        zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.

        --
        -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne@...
        "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a Communist or a
        Republican." - Karen Schneider
      • Tim Nalley
        Got to agree there but differ only slightly in pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in the
        Message 3 of 16 , Mar 2, 2005
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          Got to agree there but differ only slightly in
          pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the
          dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in
          the 16C when Stephen Bathory, former prince of
          Transylvania, was invited to be King of Poland by the
          Polish Senate, an brought his Haduk soldiers into
          Cracow and Warsaw in their "eastern fashions". Also,
          the fashion had started to morph earlier than that as
          witnessed in the Battle of Orsa" painting which shows
          Polish riders wearinga mixture of Western fashions
          populat during the Jagellion Dynasty and eastern
          fashions popular in Hungary and Ruthenia, popularised
          by contacts with the Turks after the Battle of Mohacs
          just a few short years before.
          'dak
          --- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
          <jenne@...> wrote:

          > > Actually, I would put this argument on its head,
          > at least
          > > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume,
          > at least for men,
          > > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from
          > Eastern inflences -
          > > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian.
          > Specifically, my belief is
          > > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area
          > picked up the common
          > > local military fashions as their own, which
          > because common
          > > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles
          > picked it up from
          > > the Lithuanians.
          >
          > Well, it seems that there was a set of military
          > fashions that were
          > Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century
          > that were
          > roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've
          > seen still show a
          > pretty standard German/Italian influence in the
          > costumes, but with the
          > zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.
          >
          > --
          > -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika
          > jenne@...
          > "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a
          > Communist or a
          > Republican." - Karen Schneider
          >





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