Re: Re: [sig] Ukraine Costuming page
- don't know why but this just reminded me that I saw a book on _Ukraine
Embroidery_ that has a bunch of pictures of the more modern folk dress, I
don't remember if it goes into how the folk dress developed or not but had
some wonderful designs and in the last chapter or so it had instructions for
making a shirt with embroidery. since it is spesicfally on the Ukraine
embroidery it may be better than the general folk costumes books. Another
book to maybe look for is called _Costumes of the East_ has a bit of text on
the balkans, casasus and ukraines region, some line drawings and possibly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Koziel" <kataryna_dragonweaver@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [sig] Ukraine Costuming page
> --- Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik <Posadnik@...>
>> Well.... First, Ukraine was never my specific
>> interest. All I have is the well-known book on
>> costume of Eastern Europe peoples (Moscow, 198* -
>> can't remember the exact title being at work, here
>> it is often mentioned as a source reliable but
>> rather generalized), there is a chapter about
> I just thought I'd ask.
> If you manage to dig up the title one of these days
> that would be great.
>> Second, Ukraine, being a Lietuvan-Polish province
>> inlate period, had borrowed much from the Polish
>> costume. Thus, speaking of wealthy people's costume,
>> I'd suggest it could include up to 3/4 of imported
>> items - as status symbols, especially in late
> Yes, I realize that but because the area tended to be
> such a mix of cultures I'd kind of like to see how
> they put the pieces together - and find some primary
> sources from the area as back up.
> Anyhow thanks for the info on the webpage, when I get
> the real book I'll see what I can do about getting a
> translation & report how it is as a source.
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> Actually, I would put this argument on its head, at leastWell, it seems that there was a set of military fashions that were
> partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume, at least for men,
> in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from Eastern inflences -
> tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian. Specifically, my belief is
> that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area picked up the common
> local military fashions as their own, which because common
> throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles picked it up from
> the Lithuanians.
Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century that were
roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've seen still show a
pretty standard German/Italian influence in the costumes, but with the
zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.
-- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika jenne@...
"Information wants to be a Socialist... not a Communist or a
Republican." - Karen Schneider
- Got to agree there but differ only slightly in
pointing out that the Polish fashions embodied in the
dolman, kontusz, etc. were made popular primarily in
the 16C when Stephen Bathory, former prince of
Transylvania, was invited to be King of Poland by the
Polish Senate, an brought his Haduk soldiers into
Cracow and Warsaw in their "eastern fashions". Also,
the fashion had started to morph earlier than that as
witnessed in the Battle of Orsa" painting which shows
Polish riders wearinga mixture of Western fashions
populat during the Jagellion Dynasty and eastern
fashions popular in Hungary and Ruthenia, popularised
by contacts with the Turks after the Battle of Mohacs
just a few short years before.
--- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa / Jenne Heise
> > Actually, I would put this argument on its head,__________________________________
> at least
> > partially. Polish-Lithuanian fashionable costume,
> at least for men,
> > in the 15th-16th C seems to have originated from
> Eastern inflences -
> > tatar, turk and also perhaps ukranian.
> Specifically, my belief is
> > that the Lituanian rulers in the Ukraine area
> picked up the common
> > local military fashions as their own, which
> because common
> > throughout the grand duchy. Then, later, the Poles
> picked it up from
> > the Lithuanians.
> Well, it seems that there was a set of military
> fashions that were
> Eastern-Influenced, and a bunch in the 17th century
> that were
> roman/byzantine influenced, but the pictures I've
> seen still show a
> pretty standard German/Italian influence in the
> costumes, but with the
> zupan-like coat as an additional fashion statement.
> -- Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, Knowledge Pika
> "Information wants to be a Socialist... not a
> Communist or a
> Republican." - Karen Schneider
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