classification by birth vs. by area vs.by ancestry
- I have wondered the same about families. For instance, how long would it take a "German" family become "French" after the land is taken over and is officially part of France? Did the Poles become German or Russian or Austrian(?) when their land was divvied up? Did the Germans become Polish when the land becam Poland again?
>but they (usually) were not Slavic in origin. So, I don't know if they >can be considered Slavic or not for this purpose.
>Interesting thought -- is a shaman classified by place of birth or area of >activity?
- Or from the Canadian side...
you become a citizen of the country when your passport
says you are - your cultural heritage remains
something entirely different and it can take many many
generations for that to change (and it sometimes never
Canadians speak of their heritage thusly:
I am proud to be Canadian - but I am also proud of my
Maybe that's a Canuck thing, but my guess is that
people from a conquered nation usually don't stop
practicing their culture (if they are not forced to
assimilate). Thus a Pole in Germany will maintain
Polish cultural practices within the confines of their
families and over time will adopt certain German
cultural norms, so his children and possibly his
grandchildren will be Polish Germans... I'd say 5 or 6
generations at least before the people become German
(if they are allowed to).
Also this depends on how actively you can pass your
culture to the next generation. If the conquered are
not allowed citizenship to the country in question
then it is very unlikely they will ever loose their
origional cultural identity. Alternately if a family
is very active/strict in passing their culture they
will hold onto it longer.
> I have wondered the same about families. For instance, how long Did thePoles become German or Russian or
Austrian(?) when their land was divvied up? Did the Germans become Polish
when the land becam Poland again?
Comment from Poland: good american question!
Please apologize me.
My personal answer is: NEVER. It depends only on the person/family in
Sense of nationality in Europe (identity/nationality can be described by
your 'small fatherland'=heimat in German, or be double like
Kaschubian/Polish) was and still is very strong. If spanish speaking indian
catholic obtains U.S. passport he isn't automatically turned into W.A.S.P.
It will take some time, or some generations... If they will allow it. Poles
were given foreign passports, sometimes the names were changed by the
officials into German/Russian but they naver stopped to be Poles, if they
want to be them. You can try to turn into somone you are not but (Michael
Jackson is such a person. The result is widely known...) you will be always
recognized as foreign/strange person.
Other example are Jews in Europe. In they own eyes they are European but for
many other 'europeans' they are and always will be simply strange Jews, and
after many generations people will ask you: Aren't your ancestors Jews?
Magdalena z Wroclawia