Re: [sig] I've been asked for help w/ N Slavic feast
- Greetings Jadwiga!
Thursday, May 27, 2004, 6:25:46 PM, you wrote:
>> JZJH> I do have a question about 'if there is meat for dinner...' could thatJZJH> I don't think I asked my question properly. Let me try asking this a
>> JZJH> mean, 'if it is a meat day' as Pouncy translates it? I'm entirely unclear
>> JZJH> as to which days were meatless days in the Russian Orthodox 16th century
>> JZJH> calendar...
>> about 160-200 days of the year. Thus, reallly no great habit of eating
>> meat every day. But lots of opportunities to specialize in river fish
>> and grains.
JZJH> different way: on which days was meat forbidden by Russian Orthodox rules?
JZJH> In Western Europe, during Lent, Advent, and on Wednesday, Friday, and
JZJH> Saturdays along with some other days, meat was forbidden... these are
JZJH> sometimes called meatless days or fish days as opposed to meat days when
JZJH> meat was allowed.
Those were all-Christian fast days.
Orthodox church had it more. I do not remember all the fast days, but
one of them was special Old Russian invention, (afair) the st. Peter fast, specially to
block the Rusalia [holiday]weeks that went from June Rusalia to July Rusalia
days. The fast was for about three weeks of June, from June
Rusalia (can't remember exactly, about 10-14 June) to the last days of
the month, including the Kupala day, which was one of the major
pre-Christian holidays of the year.
Thursday, May 27, 2004, 6:54:05 PM, you wrote:
>> JZJH> Frying meat in a pan isn't that typical of Western period cookery, either,JZJH> *nod* Baking in the coals, yes. I remember reading that flatbreads were
>> JZJH> except for fish... so that's no surprise.
>> Grilling/frying on the open fire was not typical for Russia either.
>> baking in... (coils? ashes? what remains of the fire when it is still
>> burning withoiut flames - damn mental block...), yes.
JZJH> baked this way, too. Were they put in earthenware/ceramic baking pots,
JZJH> wrapped in dough, wrapped in leaves, or otherwise?
As with the Svyatoslav case, I'd suggest just digging it into coals as
it is with potatoes (potatoes baked in coals is a VERY popular outdoor
meal, like grilling in the USA :-) ). Pokhlebkin claims only two ways
of cooking meat: boiling and baking. Ceramic pots of different shape ARE
mentioned anywhere though I never dug deep enough to find out the design of the
earliest kitchen devices. Wouldn't say they could use dough,
agriculture was not too productive to spend wheat/rhye on that. About
the leaves, can't say.
Baking fish and -!- birds (chicken, goose, etc) in clay - must be a very early
way. Clay "dough" is spread over the fish that is NOT stripped of its
scales, or the birds that are never feathered. Then it's dug into the
coals. When the clay becomes
rock-hard and the dish is ready, all the scales/feathers go with the
clay they stuck to, and the ready-to-eat meal remaiuns.
Hunters/fishermen on major rivers often did that in XIX and XX centuries.