Re: [sig] Re: Costuming Questions
Well, it's a fluid field right now and that's
precisely what I tell folks in my own costuming class.
What's tue this year could change next year as more
work is translated into english for the wider world
market. Plus, soviet research was politically driven
so much of it is currently being revised by the
original authors themselves, again for the world wide
What, exactly, is your period and location, as of
now? Maybe I can help?
--- Cid <IrinaRadokovaia@...> wrote:
> > My Lady, have you tried Predslava in Ansteorra?
> I asked several people and no one knew of anyone
> else that did a
> personia like what I was interested in. I'm affraid
> that I have
> never heard of Predslava.
> I've read a good deal of the information on the web
> site, I would
> never have been so absent-minded as to ignore those,
> but it seems
> that I must have read too many things, not a few of
> them by people
> who didn't really know what they were talking about
> as they
> contradict a lot of what I have found elsewhere.
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- I wanted to clear up some misconceptions I had, and another person
was gracious enough to lend her knowledge. At this moment my
immediate questions have been satisfied, though I'm sure that now
school is finished till September, I'll come up with a dozen more.
You offer is appreciated though.
- I hear your frustration with trying to be as accurate as possible.
Unfortunately it's not always possible or practical I mean who is going to use (or can
afford) real silk brocade all the time? I personally work with linen and wool for the most
part. Take a look at your persona for hints as to what they might have worn. For instance
what century are you most interested in? Was velvet available during that time? Are you
middle class, a peasant, city dweller, merchant or a country woman? All wore and had
access to different colors, fabrics and furs ( I use Faux Fur.) My persona also has been
somewhat difficult to research not a lot ( at least in my experience thus far) was written
about women in the early centuries. I try not to focus (to much) on the historical accuracy
of my work but the quality of my sewing and believe me that's hard enough! : )
Anyway your not alone join a local costuming guild or sewing circle I have found people
are always willing to offer advice.
Happy Sewing, Julia 0 ; )
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "redlocks999" <redlocks999@y...> wrote:
> I hear your frustration with trying to be as accurate as possible.................................................................
> Unfortunately it's not always possible or practical
The more I research (including personal letters)into clothing styles
along the Varengian River Routes (Caspian to Baltic Seas), the more
I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or 'proper' applied
more to celebrations and formal (religious) event wear and not to
what was actually worn day-to-day. People wore what was available,
comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of diverse cultures.
So "accurate" may be an affectation -- which is fine for a hobby,
but not something to get hung up on.
This is similar to eating Chinese food in the USA. What we
consider 'normal fair' is actually rare celebration food in most of
China, yet, if one used most cookbooks (hundreds of years from now)
as a guide, you would get a completely false impression of what was
just a view from a 'non-Slavic' person
- --- Kinjal of Moravia <gusarimagic@...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "redlocks999"................................................................
> <redlocks999@y...> wrote:
> > I hear your frustration with trying to be as
> accurate as possible.
> > Unfortunately it's not always possible or
>Well in my opinion you are right...the garb as we call
> The more I research (including personal letters)into
> clothing styles
> along the Varengian River Routes (Caspian to Baltic
> Seas), the more
> I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or
> 'proper' applied
> more to celebrations and formal (religious) event
> wear and not to
> what was actually worn day-to-day. People wore what
> was available,
> comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of
> diverse cultures.
it would be the one suit for festivities and weddings
and fairs and so on, in a peasant's household that is.
But on the other hand the variety of cultural
influence varies from place to place. Most of the
people in those times had no outside intercultural
exchanges due to a lack of movement. Some people, or
better say most people, never left their homestead.
Well maybe going to town 5-10 kilometers away, for a
fair on 1-5 days a year would be the exeption. Cities
would be another story however, especially if it was a
coastal trading spot, for obvious reasons. And also
lets not forget that certain fashions have broken the
cultural "barrier". From as early as the classical
period (roman empire) you have the Dalmatica...or the
overcoat that was worn by the Illiric tribes of
Dalmatia that stayed as a fashionable garment all the
way into the 14 hundreads (if I am not mistaking) all
over the Medditeranean, with only minor changes to it.
Also the Krackaw's, or shoes that have been the hight
of fashion all over europe in the 12-13 hundreads.
> just a view from a 'non-Slavic' person__________________________________
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- Ah, I would like to thank everyone so far on their input. I've been
doing a lot of reading *rubs eyes* and have put somethings together
from what I've read. I would like to say a special thank you to
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova for all of her help. She emailed me
privatly and has answered a lot of my questions. Hopefully with
Warlord getting underway next week I'll get some pictures taken so
that I can get some oppinions on them. So far the people here are
In my various trips to the region I have travelled through much of the
Balkan region and up to Hungary and found that much of the "cultural" event
clothes in the Serbian, Slovakian, Croatian and Hungarian areas are very
similar in design. I specifically exclude Bosnia and Herczegovina from this
list since it has serious Muslim tones for clothing (go figure) but you
could not tell them apart from any of the others listed here by looking at
them day to day.
The main differences I noted in the few museums (castles) that I visited
were in the materials and color. The "rich" would have bright fine woven
clothing while the "peasents" would have plain grey or other natural,
locally produced color, in generally wool or other course material.
For best or possibly easier research on the clothing, I might suggest
checking out Italian on the Western side, German in the north, Greek or
Turkish in the south (or for Muslim based Slav) and may be Russia through
the Hermitage museum.
audax et celer
>I get a sense that styles defined as 'cultural' or 'proper' applied_________________________________________________________________
>more to celebrations and formal (religious) event wear and not to
>what was actually worn day-to-day. People wore what was available,
>comfortable and practical, drawing from dozens of diverse cultures.
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