Re: Slavic households
- Patrick/Mikhail asks...
> what are the standards or conventions forI very much doubt that there is going to be a single answer applicable
> naming households with the Slavic culture.
across the Slavonic world, in the same way as I doubt that there was a
single Slavic culture except in the very earliest times...
> I mean what do you use in place of "House of"In Czech, houses were initially most commonly named after the
> or "Household" etc...
owner/occupant, or the trade conducted there. An example of the former is "U
Mate'je" (Mate'j's house), and of the latter "U kolar'e" (the wheelwright's
Later, they might be named for a prominent decorative feature - Prague has
"U Z'elezneho muz'e" (At the (sign of the) Iron Man), the eponymous figure
being a sculpture of a knight in full plate armour.
From the High Middle Ages onwards, house ownership and/or the house name
might also be shown by the addition of a house sign.The first house sign ("U
cerne hvezdy"/ The Sign of the Black Star) is recorded in the Old Town of
Prague in 1356, and a total of 16 are recorded prior to 1400. Paris, Rouen,
Chartres, Cracow and various Bavarian and Austrian towns also seem to have
adopted house signs in the 14th century, so Prague was not exceptional in
By the 15th century there are records of 276 house signs in the Old Town, 44
in the New Town and 12 in the Lesser Town.
By the 16th and 17th centuries house signs were of vital importance in
recording property transactions, and changes to them had to be officially
approved and registered! Only in 1767 did the Viennese Court issued a decree
to the effect that all houses in the lands of the Habsburg Monarchy had to
be numbered, and it took several generations before people got used to the
By the 1880's, when the Prague Boroughs were finally merged to become the
City of Prague, the city contained 2928 houses, which can be broken down as
Old Town: 936 houses, of which 422 had signs
New Town: 1250 houses, of 206 had signs
Lesser Town: 543 houses, of which 212 had signs
Hradcany: 199 houses, of which 52 had signs.
Note that sometimes a burgher family's surname might be taken from the sign,
rather than the other way around! Although initially tending to follow
heraldic rules (although they were not to be taken as heraldic devices in
the true sense), house signs developed into an artistic medium in their own
right. Houses therefore became known after the signs, which are very similar
to English pub signs - "The Sign of the Three Feathers", "The Sign of the
Gold Key" etc. etc.
[Note: all of the information above is readily available in "Domovni znameni
stare Prahy" by Lydia Petran'ova, published in Prague by Panorama in 1991,
ISBN 80-7038-039-X, which has lengthy summaries in English, Russian, German
Hope this helps
Alastair Millar BSc (Hons) - http://www.skriptorium.info
Translation & Consultancy for the Heritage Industry
P.O. Box 11, CZ 413 01 Roudnice, Czech Republic
- Absolutely! Thanks for all the info, I apologize if I wasn't clear but
that sort of stuff was exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks to you all!
[Edited by moderator. DO NOT quote entire messages in your posts, please.]
> Dom (house/household)I think that use of each of those terms indicates a different social
> Dvor (Yard/Courtyard, think "Scotland Yard" ;-)
> Rod (clan/family)
position of a person (at least in Polish). Here are my first association:
'z domu' (of household/house) it will show that someone is a member of this
family, or someone of this position;
'z dworu' it will be probably servant of this 'dwor' (noble house)
'z rodu' it will be someone noble= it is simple because 'rod' indicates
noble or at least eminent (in anyway) family.
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==> From: "P&MSulisz" <pmsulisz@...>
==> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:15:03 0200
>Yana Wrote:This is great, but I have one question. Do we have any idea when
>> Dom (house/household)
>> Dvor (Yard/Courtyard, think "Scotland Yard" ;-)
>> Rod (clan/family)
> I think that use of each of those terms indicates a different
> social position of a person (at least in Polish). Here are my first
> association: 'z domu' (of household/house) it will show that
> someone is a member of this family, or someone of this position;
> 'z dworu' it will be probably servant of this 'dwor' (noble
> house) 'z rodu' it will be someone noble= it is simple
> because 'rod' indicates noble or at least eminent (in anyway)
these terms started to be used? Especially "rod" and "dom". The
Heralds are starting to sticky about such things. It may be the
correct definition of the word, but is it the correct *medieval*
>I also find that in XVc (and earliers) docs. the word 'dom' was used only toBecause newer members are moderated and my computer got lonely for all its
>denote a physical house/building. Not a family!
>(I don't know why mine mails needs 4 days to come to sig-list...)
new friends at the computer shop. Sorry, just got back my computer yesterday.
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From: "John-Joseph Bober" <jjbober4@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [sig] Slavic households
> This is great, but I have one question. Do we have any idea when
> these terms started to be used? Especially "rod" and "dom". The
> Heralds are starting to sticky about such things. It may be the
> correct definition of the word, but is it the correct *medieval*
The first usings of 'rod' in present meaning is testified in XVI c. I was
looking of this word in earlier documents and find that instead of 'rod'
they mention strange phrase 'moj/nasz klejnot' (mine/ours jewel) to testify
someone's affiliation to a family. The phrase "he is ours jewel, and ours
blood" was used like a oath formula at the courts, when somone had to prove
his nobility, or his identity.
It seems that in a case of non nobility they use only 'mine/ours blood' to
prove the identity of a person.
In Latin documents clerks used to use latin terms and in that language to
express the idea of a rod/family was not a problem.
I also find that in XVc (and earliers) docs. the word 'dom' was used only to
denote a physical house/building. Not a family!
(I don't know why mine mails needs 4 days to come to sig-list...)