- View SourceSorry to be a pest. In my research into Prince Vladimir I found
references to his two assissinated sons, Boris and Gleb, called
the "Passion Sufferers". Can anyone provide more info?
Also, I found references to the "Mordvinans". Can anyone help here?
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>references to his two assissinated sons, Boris andYes! Boris and Gleb were the sons of Vladimir, they
> Gleb, called the "Passion Sufferers". Can anyone
>provide more info?
were killed by their brother Svietapolk in a power
struggle for rule. They were made saints b/c as some
stories describe, they didn't fight back. They made
the sacrifice of resisting violence and allowing their
brother to kill them and rule. Svietapolk was later
condemned and killed for this. I have this great book
called "Medieval Russia: epics chronicles and tales"
by Zenkovsky. There are some great "lives of saints"
translated in here, as well as a nice description of
the rise of Orthodoxy in Kiev Rus.
> Also, I found references to the "Mordvinans". CanMy guess is Turkic tribe, but I am sure that this book
> anyone help here?
talked about them, I just can't remember.
NB: about this book, it is actually the book they use
to teach Russian Civilization at the University of
Chicago, so knowing what I do about their slavic
department, it has to be somewhat good. ;)
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- View SourceBoris and Gleb were killed by their brother Sviatopolk, who wanted to rule
Here's an account from the chronicles:
Passion sufferers (also passion bearers) means they suffered death
innocently for their faith in Christ. It's the lowest "rank" in sainthood.
Mordva is a tribe related to the Finns but who lived in the woods east of
> Sorry to be a pest. In my research into Prince Vladimir I found
> references to his two assissinated sons, Boris and Gleb, called
> the "Passion Sufferers". Can anyone provide more info?
> Also, I found references to the "Mordvinans". Can anyone help here?
- View SourceGreetings Kinjal!
Thursday, June 05, 2003, 9:31:41 PM, you wrote:
KoM> Also, I found references to the "Mordvinans".
Mordva, the Finno-Ugrian nation. Actually, falls into never-mixing
sub-nations, Erzya & Moksha. In modern Russia they occupy the
territory between Moscow & Penza, also some regions of Tatarstan &
Chuvashia. Capital city is Saransk, they ever lived there. Reddish
colors of Penza & Ryazan women clothes is somehow the trace of the
original Mordva & other Finnish nations of the territory. Thjey were
ever the pain-in the, ergm, back for all rulers, keeping some
independence under Russians, Bulgars, Mongols and even post-Mongol
Russians. They were too deep in the woods and too easy to strike back
to conquer them easily.
- View SourceShannon writes...
> [Boris & Gleb] were made saints b/c as someInterestingly, their relics (or some of them) ended up for reasons obscure
> stories describe, they didn't fight back. They
> made the sacrifice of resisting violence and
> allowing their brother to kill them
in the Sazava monastery in south Bohemia. Why is this interesting? Because
Sazava retained the use of Old Church Slavonic long after it was supposedly
proscribed - and seems from textual evidence to have retained contacts with
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