Another Hungarian site ?
- In the process of crafting a wood sheath for a sword as an accessory
for my garb, I came across the Hungarian Folklore Museum page,
As I am coming to the end of the project, I was looking for possible
ideas for the metal work - motif designs.
The usual references for armor have sparce information on sheaths. It
appears that the collectors of the swords would not keep the sheath,
or it was disgarded at an early period. Sheaths are usually of wood
covered with a fabric or leather. Or left bare. Information on
Magyar/Slavic even more so.
The sources I have been using include:
R.E. Oakeshott, The Archaeology of Wepons.
Osprey Series: Medieval Russian Armies 1250-1500
Anglo-Saxon Thegh 440-1066
Hungary and Eastern Europe 1000-1568
D. Diehl, Medieval Furniture
R. Burton, The Book of the Sword
T.G.E. Powell, The Celts
D.A. Counts, Weapons and Armour II (11-1350) SCA pub.
The museum site has embroidery designs that may be applicable as
metal designs. Any suggestions?
Janos the Magyar
- You might try _Art of the Conquest Era_ by Gyula Laszlo. It deals with grave
finds from throughout Hungary starting with Gothic finds up to Magyar grave
finds. Much of it has to do with metal work.
A good website to try is http://origo.hnm.hu/gyujtem/angol.html which is the
online collection for the Hungarian National Museum. If you go to the link
for the Medieval Collection, the first seven links are for Conquest Era
Another website with some good color pictures is
http://www.geocities.com/indunna/magars.html under the Accessories link. You
may need to cross reference those pictures with other sources to find out the
Hope that helps!
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This is rather long, and I apologize. I tend to get carried away
when researching conquest era hungarian stuff.
My "Ancient Hungarians" book has this to say about sheaths:
The scabbard was generally made of wood and fitted together from two
parts. An iron or bronze chape was fitted to its lower end. On
more ornate weapons, the chape was of silver or gold. Most chapes
were oval. A unique, buitton-terminalled chape can be seen on the
sabre kept in Vienna that had been a princely insignia of rank. The
semicircular suspension loops were riveted to the scabbard by means
of two metal bands or, more rarely, a fairly wide plaque. The upper
suspension loop also acted as the mount of the scabbard entry the
scabbard and the grip were both covered with fine leather.
I've uploaded a photo of the Vienna sabre - aka Attila's or
Charlemagne's sword. (Which it isn't actually. Very obviously a
conquest era sword.)
Description of sword and scabbard from "Ancient Hungarians"
"The hilt curves towards the blade edge. The iron cross-bar is
covered with a gold plaque decorated with an intricate design of
tendrils and leaves around a four-petalled rosette in the centre.
The grip was riveted to the iron tang. It was first covered with
leather, on to which the gold ring and the pear-shaped pommel were
fitted. These plaques are ornamented with an interlace pattern of
looped tendrils and palmettes. The hilt was repaired in the Middle
Ages. The cross-bar was fitted onto the dismantled grip upside-down
and the damaged grip reinforced with three silver gild bands, two of
which are set with stone inlays. [Note from Khalja - If you want I
can scan a black and white photo of the repair job from another
book - "Art of the Migration Era"]
The 86.4 cm long wooden scabbard was first covered with black
leather. It has two semicircular suspension loops, one at the
scabbard entry, the other halfway down the scabbard. A knob
terminalled chape was then attached to the scabbard. The part of
the scabbard between the chape ring and the lower suspension loop
was covered with a plain gold plaque whose edges were riveted to a
silver plaque on the reverse. The front side of the suspension
loops and both sides of the chape are decorated with a pattern of
looped double scrolls and palmettes. The suspension loops are
bordered with a spiralling tendril. The grip and the scabbard are
decorated with a pattern of looped tendrils executed in repousse and
set against a background of tiny punched circles."
Another idea for scabbard decoration if you were interested in
leather carving, is from a conquest era saddle. I've uploaded a
drawing from "Art of the Migration Era" here:
Sabretaches and belt ends can also be sources of design inspiration.
I hope this is helpful. I have photos of several other sabres with
keen metal bits, so let me know if you'd like to see them. Also
lots of stuff on different sabretache plates and belt designs.
Baroness Khalja khorkhoi
- Thank you, did a quick visit this AM. Looks helpful.
--- In sig@y..., varju@a... wrote:
> You might try _Art of the Conquest Era_ by Gyula Laszlo. .......or
the Medieval Collection, the first seven links are for Conquest
> Magyar items.
> Hope that helps!
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- --- In sig@y..., "khalja" <khalja@y...> wrote:
> Greetings,Thank you.
> This is rather long, and I apologize. I tend to get carried away
> when researching conquest era hungarian stuff.
> My "Ancient Hungarians" book has this to say about sheaths:
> lots of stuff on different sabretache plates and belt designs.
> Baroness Khalja khorkhoi
It is interesting to compare the designs. The basic construction of
the wood sheath during the middle ages is similar. Maybe more on this