Re: [sig] thanks on fairy tale info & "screwup"
- --- jetticus <wschulz1@...> wrote:
> First, thanks for info on Vasilissa. Just todayI know what you mean, I wish there was an event where
> someone posted to
> another board the site where it can be viewed /w
> pic.s. I just love
> the artist's work too. And, I was so hoping the
> costume would work.
one could wear fairytale garb!
>and I just love that particular
> costume - although I'mNonsense! Older women wore stuff like that too! We are
> too old to portray her by a few decades.
not too old!!
>I also found that
> very many recordsMy Mom and I went to Slovakia last summer. She does
> from Poland and surrounding areas were thought to be
> > were actually found in warehouses in Germany.
Geneology and got to a point where she couldn't get
any further without actually going to the place
We found the village her Grandma came from and the
church, the minister was very nice, he did not have
the record of their marriage, but he did have a record
of my great uncle Andy's baptismal. He said the
communists took their books and ripped them in half
and took half with them. But not to Germany.They are
somewhere in Slovakia, and apparantly some have been
found and returned to villages, just not ours yet.
It is still possible your stuff is out there.
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Well, I may be stomped, but there is not very much evidence that that clothing
was imposible for period. It is typical "lack of evidence" not "evidence of
lack". The thing is in some other problems.
1. "Miriskusniks" (Bilibin, Vasnetsov, afair Roerikh) served the same role as
Preraffaelites in Britain. I.e.: they formed their own myth of the Ancient
Times of their country, using what they knew. And the thing is that right at
that time (second half 19 century) Russia discovered the Northy as a reserve of
the old culture, where they sang Bylinas of 14 century, wore clothing items
based on medieval samples, etc. But - see #2
2. Not that there was NOTHING period in the North. But there were lots of
silver & gold traders who bought old gold/silver embroidered clothes in
hundreds, burnt them and got their precious metal, stupid vandals. So somewhere
in late 19 century they started consulting not the rich clothing of their
foremothers but their memory. So the closer to 1900 the dress is made, the
worse is the resemblance to original patterns of 14-15-16 centuries, that,
frankly speaking, didn't change much in the course of years. 1900s hit the
tradition much worse.
3. One more pain in the - let your modesty choose the part of the body :-)
As the Miriskusniks chose the most talked-of patterns, they omitted the humble
fact that there was a certain border between sarafan-based and shirt and
plakhta-based women's clothing, and it lies along the Belgorod-Kursk-Penza
line, as I can rely on my memory (the book on Clothing of the Eastern Europe
and the book on the Russian embroidery are at home while I hit the keys at
work). So, Bilibin made a Lubok based on North Muscovite Rus, and Vasnetsov
compiled simply anything. No use relying on them whilst your centre of
attention lies further south.
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