Re: [sig] Druzhina with some corrections, sorry
In my previous posting,
"It was like the US National Guard..." meant Rat', not Druzhina. Druzhina was
always battle-ready, though involved in several duties almost daily. Though, we
can't see the question well, if we treat Novgorod/Pskov Druzhina as the best
example. There Princes were hired by the city officials, and the size of the
Druzhina was also established as not allowing the Prince to change the rules of
the game. Kievan or Chernigov Druzhinas could be greater, also because NOT all
the Druzhina was supposed to be garrisoned in the main citadel. Some of it was
always busy at faraway outposts.
Though, with the South there's another pain-in-the-neck. As 13-14 century
Novgorod had its Ushkuiniks, that raided the lands byond the eastern frontier
of the Russian states, in Kievan region the same was performed by the 11-13
(approx.) Brodniks. Those were half peaceful Steppe dwellers of the Russian
origin, dwelling between Don and Dnieper, half fortune seekers. There is some
evidence that Brodniks (no connection with the Russian "Brod" ("ford"), BTW)
were the buffer force between the nomads and the Rus, serving this or that
side, and even regular Druzhinas from time to time set out "to feed themselves"
into the Steppes, becoming Brodniks for a while, then returning to their
Prince. The Brodniks existed at least until 14 century, when the term (most
likely it meant "open space dweller, never fixed to a piece of land") was
replaced by the term "cossack" (Ilya Muromets, who served his country at a
Steppe outpost, was commonly called "old cossack" in the Bylinas. The
Historic/Philologic fact the Muromets Bylina cycle was codified and put
together no earlier than 14 century). So, the Druzhina could be split apart and
one part became Brodniks, to raid the Steppes for glory/ransom. Some Brodniks
could join the Druzhina. So I'd count all the Druzhinniks in the capital city
and multiply the number by at least 0.75.
- I've seen this term (boyers) before but i have no clue
what it means.
Anybody got a definition for me?
--- Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik <Posadnik@...>
the Older Druzhina was a bode of Boyars
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- Greetings Alexander!
First I thought "Boyar(in)" is related "Boy" (battle, fight) and "yary" (keen,
ferocious, active). But later I came across that in Romania & Bulgaria that
word contained an L, "Bolyar(in)". So, now I don't know anything for sure... :-(
Maybe it really comes from not "Boy" but "Bol'(e)" - "big, great" (and
comparative form), meaning "the higher, the greater one". Similarly, if
Afroamericans had a military body, they could invent a relative title, "A
Bigger Brother". :-)
- Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik wrote:
>Greetings Alexander!I hear that Boyar is comes from the Turkic/Khazar language and was used
>First I thought "Boyar(in)" is related "Boy" (battle, fight) and "yary" (keen,
>ferocious, active). But later I came across that in Romania & Bulgaria that
>word contained an L, "Bolyar(in)". So, now I don't know anything for sure... :-(
>Maybe it really comes from not "Boy" but "Bol'(e)" - "big, great" (and
>comparative form), meaning "the higher, the greater one". Similarly, if
>Afroamericans had a military body, they could invent a relative title, "A
>Bigger Brother". :-)
as a term for Nobility.
- Greetings Laura!
> I hear that Boyar is comes from the Turkic/Khazar language and was usedMaybe, though can't say for sure. When my favourite academic bookstore
> as a term for Nobility.
opens again or I have time to travel to another part of Moscow, I'll simply
consult with the dictionary of Old Russian. In my Joint Dictionary of Turcic
languages there's no such term. It doesn't correspond with Turcic "Bahadur" or
Mongol "Oglan", as well. Suleimenov also doesn't mention it in his Az i Ya,
speaking of the oldest Turcic borrowings into Russian.