Re: [sig] Military Tunics
- Greetings to ED!
> It surprised me through all that talk of tunics that no one mentionedWhat kind of "Slav" is meant? If simply all Slavonic nations, they
> Slav armies wore. In my millenium of Ukr. Christianity calendar,
wore no uniform in pre-national-state period.
> there areThe point is if this professor is or was one. They
> amazing semi-iconographic paintings of the Rus done by Prof.
> Konash-Konashevsky(not sure about his credentials) & printied in
could have used a person from the
early-1900s. There were lots drawings of the kind then, just remember
prof., if I am not mistaken) Semiradski, with his "classical" "Funeral
of a Noble Rus". In this case the value of such reference is about zero.
In modern publications they can't help using totally obsolete sources,
like Viskovatov's "Istoricheskoye Opisaniie
Odezhdi Russkoy Armii..." vol.1, (c) 1894 (!). Another unpleasant
surprise you get when you try to use the drawings from Olenin's 1832
"Opyt ob Odezhde, Oruzhii, Nravakh, Obychaiakh i Styepeni Prosvescheniia
Slovian ot Vremeni Trayana i Russkikh do Nashestviia Tatar. ("A Survey
in Clothes, Weapons, Ways, Habits & Degree of Literacy of Slavs from
Trayan's time till coming of the Tatars"). A disgustingly obsolete
edition, though really the first one ever been. One of the reasons to
creatre it was the royal trend to put everything old Russian into
fashion. It was based on the few artifacts from the Kremlin Armoury
and fewer ones from the first ethnographical expeditions to Russian
villages. It was widely used by "a la Rousse" style creators, like
Vereschagin, Vasnetsov, Ryabushkin, etc. The same stuff as with the
Arthurian theme with the Pre-Raffaelites.
> Augsburg,In this case that was the rule of the "host" country, like with the
> Germany. A couple such works depict a Slav guards with tunics. My
> bud told me that Slavs used as mercenaries had tunics, but to my
Constantinople Varangian Guard. No uniform existed in Russia until
the first firearms infantry regiments (Streltsy)of 1500s, who wore
kaftans of their regiment's colors.
> dismay heIf we discuss the type of shirt, yes. If we discuss regular uniform,
> couldn't remember the source! I know that they had tunics from the 9th
no. BTW they widely used kaftans even in early period, as there were
plenty of nomads to take habits from. Lots of kaften fasteners
(razgovory) dated as 9-10 centuries are recovered in Kievan region.
> C. CEBye,