my "wonderful" find
- Well, I always knew I was gullible. I guess I'm too used to this list where
documentation is at the front of everyone's mind when we speak.....
I thought I'd found a new source for us Poles. Hrumph.
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: clan=szczep=hromada=bruderband=bratstwo
> Dear Linda:
> Albin actually does not know what he is talking about. He made most
> of this up through misinterpreting or misreading other sources.
> (Check out a copy of his highly entertaining newsletter for more
> examples.) Albin is a lovable and irascible feature of today's Polonia
> scene, but his statements should not be taken seriously.
> "Catholic historians" do not maintain that there was no organization
> in pre-Christian Slavic society.
> The Pope did not apologize for evagelizing the hromada.
> The conversion of Poland, like the conversion of most of northern
> Europe was peaceful and largely voluntary. Major exceptions to this
> were the efforts to convert the northwestern Slavs and the Baltic
> Prussians. In these cases the effort was less than successful.
> There are several monographic works on the early Slavs (use of the
> term "Poles" is anachronistic). Zdenek Vana's World of the Ancient
> Slavs, Marija Gimbutas' The Slavs, and Alexander Schenker's The
> Dawn of Slavic are examples (I cite some of these in the APAP
> reading list on the APAP web site). The book on Berlin that Albin
> cited is marginally useful as well.
> The history of this era is quite interesting but unfortunately prey to
> some nationalistic and political posturing.
> John Radzilowski
> On 7 Jan 2002, at 18:27, Linda Learn wrote:
> > This is very interesting. I've heard bits and pieces of Catholic
> > "work" in the first thousand years or so and this adds up and makes
> > Where in the world did you find such detailed information?
> > Have you ever run across documented information about the pagan culture
> > belief structure of Poland?
> > Thanks..... Linda
> > > spoken language was the glue of the clan. The Roman Catholic Church
> > > Christianized the pagan hromada through a process which was called in
> > German
> > > 'lehen' ie. enfoeffment. It was a divide and conquer strategy that
> > > Adalbert was used to enfeoff some members of the hromada if they
> > the
> > > Wendish, Prussian, Lithuanian and Livonian Crusdades. The enfoeffed
> > > Polanders who promised to expand the Catholic Church were called the
> > > szlachta, a term derived from the enfoeefment ceremony called in
> > the
> > > geschlect. Being Polish a la Wojciech/Adalbert was something new to
> > > hromada. Catholic historians would have us believe that there was no
> > Polish
> > > organization or grouping before the Adalbert Crusade. The same
> > was
> > > used to defeat Scotland and Ireland and Wales. It is strange that
> > is
> > > honored as the Polish evangelizer when in actuality he participated in
> > > murderous process of Christianizing Europe. To this day we hear terms
> > such
> > > as the German bruderband St. Joannis (bractwo Sw. Jana); terms used to
> > enlist
> > > Slav help in the northern crusades. John Paul II apologized for the
> > bloody
> > > way in which the Church evangelized the hromada.
> > > albin
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