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  • Linda Learn
    Well, I always knew I was gullible. I guess I m too used to this list where documentation is at the front of everyone s mind when we speak..... I thought I d
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      Well, I always knew I was gullible. I guess I'm too used to this list where
      documentation is at the front of everyone's mind when we speak.....
      I thought I'd found a new source for us Poles. Hrumph.
      Maria P/Linda


      ----- Original Message -----
      Subject: Re: clan=szczep=hromada=bruderband=bratstwo


      > Dear Linda:
      >
      > Albin actually does not know what he is talking about. He made most
      > of this up through misinterpreting or misreading other sources.
      > (Check out a copy of his highly entertaining newsletter for more
      > examples.) Albin is a lovable and irascible feature of today's Polonia
      > scene, but his statements should not be taken seriously.
      >
      > "Catholic historians" do not maintain that there was no organization
      > in pre-Christian Slavic society.
      >
      > The Pope did not apologize for evagelizing the hromada.
      >
      > The conversion of Poland, like the conversion of most of northern
      > Europe was peaceful and largely voluntary. Major exceptions to this
      > were the efforts to convert the northwestern Slavs and the Baltic
      > Prussians. In these cases the effort was less than successful.
      >
      > There are several monographic works on the early Slavs (use of the
      > term "Poles" is anachronistic). Zdenek Vana's World of the Ancient
      > Slavs, Marija Gimbutas' The Slavs, and Alexander Schenker's The
      > Dawn of Slavic are examples (I cite some of these in the APAP
      > reading list on the APAP web site). The book on Berlin that Albin
      > cited is marginally useful as well.
      >
      > The history of this era is quite interesting but unfortunately prey to
      > some nationalistic and political posturing.
      >
      > John Radzilowski
      >
      >
      > On 7 Jan 2002, at 18:27, Linda Learn wrote:
      >
      > > This is very interesting. I've heard bits and pieces of Catholic
      church
      > > "work" in the first thousand years or so and this adds up and makes
      sense.
      > > Where in the world did you find such detailed information?
      > > Have you ever run across documented information about the pagan culture
      and
      > > belief structure of Poland?
      > > Thanks..... Linda
      > >
      > >
      > > > spoken language was the glue of the clan. The Roman Catholic Church
      > > > Christianized the pagan hromada through a process which was called in
      > > German
      > > > 'lehen' ie. enfoeffment. It was a divide and conquer strategy that
      worked.
      > > > Adalbert was used to enfeoff some members of the hromada if they
      joined
      > > the
      > > > Wendish, Prussian, Lithuanian and Livonian Crusdades. The enfoeffed
      > > > Polanders who promised to expand the Catholic Church were called the
      > > > szlachta, a term derived from the enfoeefment ceremony called in
      German
      > > the
      > > > geschlect. Being Polish a la Wojciech/Adalbert was something new to
      the
      > > > hromada. Catholic historians would have us believe that there was no
      > > Polish
      > > > organization or grouping before the Adalbert Crusade. The same
      process
      > > was
      > > > used to defeat Scotland and Ireland and Wales. It is strange that
      Wojciech
      > > is
      > > > honored as the Polish evangelizer when in actuality he participated in
      a
      > > > murderous process of Christianizing Europe. To this day we hear terms
      > > such
      > > > as the German bruderband St. Joannis (bractwo Sw. Jana); terms used to
      > > enlist
      > > > Slav help in the northern crusades. John Paul II apologized for the
      > > bloody
      > > > way in which the Church evangelized the hromada.
      > > > albin
      > >
      > >
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