Re: [sig] Klobuky
- Hello Ed!
You are getting confused with the English terms. The Russians call themselves the Russkiy (literally: of the Rus), the Orthodox Patriarch is the Patriarch of Moscow and all the Rus (Vseya Rusi), the Carpatho-Russians call themselves Rusyns till this day (same as Russkiy) and their language since recently is not considered a dialect of the Ukrainian. The country is however Rossiya and not Rus.
What you are saying is very ironic, especially considering that all the Rurikovichi moved to Great (Moscow) Rus.
- Greetings Mr. White Croat
-- I am either Mr Ryaboy, or Lord Shelomianin, but not visa versa :).
The URL that finally got through to the list a few hours ago that leads to
the images of the face-mask helms are what I referred to as "cool armour".
I am interested by your mension of permanent Black Klobuk garrisons in the
city of Kiev -- can you provide more info about that, as well as the
intermarriage you mention? While I have seen at least a dozen cases of
Kuman-Rus intermarriage, and a few of Pecheneg-Rus intermarriage, I do not
specifically recall Black Klobuk-Rus unions.
Thanks for looking up klobuck in the Ukranian dictionary -- hood makes some
sense. It would be interesting to find images of what they actually wore,
As for your criticism of use of Russian derivatives -- using modern Ukranian
is no more accurate than using modern Russian. If you want to refer to
places the way they were referred to in period, we need to get some new
dictionaries :). Most of my sources are in Russian -- hence the Russian
names for cities & people in my messages.
-Dmitriy "Shelomianin" Ryaboy.
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> Being intruiged by the "Black Caps"/"Chorny Klobuky", I looked up"klobuk"
>in my Ukrainian-English dictionary. Two meanings - fowl and hood,that is
>all. It could be safe to infer that the Black Caps or Karakalpaks(as the
>Golden Horde Khan had called them) wore hoods.Although riding off to war with a chicken on one's head presents an .
. . *interesting* picture!
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