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  • Jenne Heise
    ... Er. Jadwiga the grumpy copyright geek here: What they did was claim that you granted them the right to reproduce your copyrighted material, and to alter
    Message 1 of 26 , Jan 9, 2001
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      > Read their TOS very VERY closely. When they were acquired by Yahoo,
      > the language said something the effect that they claimed copyright to
      > whatever you stored on their servers and *reserved the right to alter
      > it in any way*,

      Er. Jadwiga the grumpy copyright geek here:

      What they did was claim that you granted them the right to
      reproduce your copyrighted material, and to alter the content as it
      appeared on their sites and publications. If it had said that you granted
      them the copyright, that would mean that they owned the right to permit
      copies, rather than you.

      The current Yahoo TOS says:

      "Yahoo does not claim ownership of the Content you place on your Yahoo
      GeoCities Site. By submitting Content to Yahoo for inclusion on your Yahoo
      GeoCities Site, you grant Yahoo the world-wide, royalty-free, and
      non-exclusive license to reproduce, modify, adapt and publish the Content
      solely for the purpose of displaying, distributing and promoting your
      Yahoo GeoCities Site on Yahoo's Internet properties. "

      I avoid Geocities myself but I'm tired of rabbity discussions of the Yahoo
      TOS by people who would be better occupied taking a seminar on copyright.
      --
      Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise jenne@...
      disclaimer: i speak for no-one and no-one speaks for me.
      "Our kingdom is a garden and such gardens are not made/By singing "Oh how
      beautiful!" and sitting in the shade..." --Kipling, "Glory of the Garden"
    • V. J. Boitchenko
      I thought that most of what is hosted on geocities is worthless anyway. If copyright is a concern than I would think about it. If not (like in my case) I d say
      Message 2 of 26 , Jan 9, 2001
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        I thought that most of what is hosted on geocities is worthless anyway. If copyright is a concern than I would think about it. If not (like in my case) I'd say it is safe enough.
         
        v 
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 3:45 PM
        Subject: Re: [sig] Russian Knowledge Page


        --- "V. J. Boitchenko" <venceslav@...> wrote:
        > I have had no problems with geocities. Besides, you can stick their
        > ad at the bottom of the page where no one is going to see it.
        > Others require either pop ups or banners at the very top of each
        > page.
        >
        > v.

        Read their TOS very VERY closely.  When they were acquired by Yahoo,
        the language said something the effect that they claimed copyright to
        whatever you stored on their servers and *reserved the right to alter
        it in any way*, ostensibly so they could move it from server to
        server as need for space considerations.  I didn't buy it, and
        neither did my friends.  Several of them had original writing and
        artwork posted and you can bet that they brought their sites down
        doublequick rather than submit to that, regardless of what
        explanation was set forth by Yahoo's lawyers.

        Tasha

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      • MHoll@aol.com
        In a message dated 1/8/2001 5:06:02 PM Central Standard Time, ... Congratulations! Double for the Honors! Yeah! Predslava.
        Message 3 of 26 , Jan 9, 2001
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          In a message dated 1/8/2001 5:06:02 PM Central Standard Time,
          slavic@... writes:


          Yana, BA with Honors in Anthropology <giggle>


          Congratulations! Double for the Honors! Yeah!

          Predslava.
        • Kevin Brook
          Yana, For a Russian knowledge webpage in search of a free webhost, why not consider http://narod.yandex.ru ? I just started using Narod.ru this month and it
          Message 4 of 26 , Jan 10, 2001
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            Yana,

            For a Russian knowledge webpage in search of a free webhost, why not
            consider http://narod.yandex.ru ?

            I just started using Narod.ru this month and it seems to be
            dependable and easy-to-use. Commands are in Russian. You can send
            files by FTP or by web-upload. Statistics of the number of visitors
            per day are provided. There are chat, guestbook, and other nifty
            features that I haven't explored yet. And best of all, none of your
            Narod.ru pages require any sort of banner or popup, unlike Geocities,
            Angelfire, etc. Pages hosted on their server can be in any
            language. The URL format would be http://yourdirectory.narod.ru/
            example:
            http://oldrussia.narod.ru/
          • Jenn/Yana
            ... Why not geocities? Honestly, I m just wondering. One of my concerns is having to move the pages too soon because of some fly-by-night or unreliable web
            Message 5 of 26 , Jan 16, 2001
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              Mstislav wrote:

              >
              > Oh please, NOT geocities!! Or Angelfire, or the like.


              Why not geocities? Honestly, I'm just wondering. One of my concerns is having
              to move the pages too soon because of some fly-by-night or unreliable web
              server, and I figured that a "name-brand" might be more useful.

              >
              > How much space does the site require, and how soon?


              10MG would be plenty, with room for expansion. Any suggestions? I don't need
              the new page _too_ soon, I think my student account expires in March.

              --Yana
            • Alastair Millar
              De-lurking briefly here... ... And Yana replied... ... Personally I have no problem with GeoCities at all - there always seems to be enough bandwidth to open
              Message 6 of 26 , Jan 17, 2001
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                De-lurking briefly here...

                Mstislav wrote:
                >> Oh please, NOT geocities!! Or Angelfire, or the like.


                And Yana replied...
                >Why not geocities? Honestly, I'm just wondering.

                Personally I have no problem with GeoCities at all - there always seems to
                be enough bandwidth to open pages fairly quickly (unlike Angelfire - a
                particularly sensitive problem for those of us on a 56kB modem connection!),
                the file upload utility is easy to use (but you can use your own FTP program
                if you have one), and there's an in-house page builder for the desperate
                and/or technologically challenged (useful for 'tweaking' those last-minute
                errors you spot just after uploading your latest masterpiece). You no longer
                need to use some horrible "neighbo(u)rhood" address that no-one can
                remember, and advert boxes can be minimised by visitors - when they appear
                at all. And they're not likely to go bust this year...

                FWIW I use GeoCities for two sites related to things Slavic -

                http://www.geocities.com/CzechEd is the homepage for a mailing list which I
                run for Czech<>English translators - several hundred links to specialist
                glossaries, and a few original glossaries hosted on the site itself.

                http://www.geocities.com/alastairmillar is my collection of misc.
                SIG-related things, including the web's only timeline for the history of
                Great Moravia (and yes, I *know* the update is overdue... but I also have
                one commercial website and two informal ones to maintain, not counting the
                GeoCities ones...)

                Why not have a look at those and see what you think of the way GeoCities
                performs?

                A lot has been written about GeoCities/Yahoo!/eGroups and copyright, most of
                it by people who don't understand the issues and who believe the
                scaremongering by others who don't understand the issues. Neither this, nor
                the fact that the company supports itself by (gasp!) commercial practices,
                is a reason not to use them.

                As for a name... what's wrong with SIG_Russian or the like? Makes it clear
                what the page is for...

                Just my two grosschen's worth...

                Alastair in Prague
              • Jenn/Yana
                ... Hmm, I like SIG_Russia. I have reserved the name medieval_russia on geocities (and medievalrussia on Freeservers), but someone already has taken
                Message 7 of 26 , Jan 17, 2001
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                  >As for a name... what's wrong with SIG_Russian or the like? Makes it clear
                  >what the page is for...
                  >
                  >Alastair in Prague


                  Hmm, I like "SIG_Russia." I have reserved the name "medieval_russia" on
                  geocities (and "medievalrussia" on Freeservers), but someone already has
                  taken "medievalrussia" (although they have pratically nothing on their
                  pages yet), and I'd rather not have people getting perpetually confused
                  between the two. Too bad GeoCities doesn't let people use a dash in their
                  user names, I personally abhor underscores. I'll think about it...

                  Thanks,
                  Yana

                  (any more suggestions?)
                • V. J. Boitchenko
                  I would only suggest that you use a dash as in Sig-Russia. v ... From: Jenn/Yana To: sig@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re:
                  Message 8 of 26 , Jan 17, 2001
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                    I would only suggest that you use a dash as in Sig-Russia.
                     
                    v
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Jenn/Yana
                    Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 12:39 PM
                    Subject: Re: [sig] Re: Russian Knowledge Page

                    >As for a name... what's wrong with SIG_Russian or the like? Makes it clear
                    >what the page is for...
                    >
                    >Alastair in Prague


                    Hmm, I like "SIG_Russia."  I have reserved the name "medieval_russia" on
                    geocities (and "medievalrussia" on Freeservers), but someone already has
                    taken "medievalrussia" (although they have pratically nothing on their
                    pages yet), and I'd rather not have people getting perpetually confused
                    between the two.  Too bad GeoCities doesn't let people use a dash in their
                    user names, I personally abhor underscores.  I'll think about it...

                    Thanks,
                    Yana

                    (any more suggestions?)

                  • Jenn/Yana
                    ... I d do that, but as I said, Geocities doesn t allow dashes in their usernames. Other servers (like Freeservers) do, hence one of my quandries in choosing a
                    Message 9 of 26 , Jan 17, 2001
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                      At 02:20 PM 1/17/01 , you wrote:
                      >
                      > I would only suggest that you use a dash as in Sig-Russia.
                      >
                      > v
                      >>
                      >



                      I'd do that, but as I said, Geocities doesn't allow dashes in their usernames.
                      Other servers (like Freeservers) do, hence one of my quandries in choosing a
                      server (among other things such as banner ads, reliability, capacity). Perhaps
                      a petty one, but gee, what else do I have to worry about, with all my spare
                      time?

                      --Yana ;-)
                    • PicsesPoet17@iname.com
                      Yana: Why not try tripod? A friend of mine with over 60 MB of photos (PLUS everything else) hosted there, and he gets good service, FTP upload, and it s good
                      Message 10 of 26 , Jan 19, 2001
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                        Yana:

                        Why not try tripod? A friend of mine with over 60 MB of photos (PLUS everything else) hosted there, and he gets good service, FTP upload, and it's good upload time for everyone else.

                        If you want to catch a glimpse, go to his webpage:

                        http://ashendari.tripod.com

                        Name isnt that long either

                        go to SCA, the his photo album....he's got a lot of photos from events (Note: these are 99% Ealdormerian events...the 1% is Pennsic).

                        Kseniia Nikolaeva doch'


                        ---- you wrote:
                        > >As for a name... what's wrong with SIG_Russian or the like? Makes it clear
                        > >what the page is for...
                        > >
                        > >Alastair in Prague
                        >
                        >
                        > Hmm, I like "SIG_Russia." I have reserved the name "medieval_russia" on
                        > geocities (and "medievalrussia" on Freeservers), but someone already has
                        > taken "medievalrussia" (although they have pratically nothing on their
                        > pages yet), and I'd rather not have people getting perpetually confused
                        > between the two. Too bad GeoCities doesn't let people use a dash in their
                        > user names, I personally abhor underscores. I'll think about it...
                        >
                        > Thanks,
                        > Yana
                        >
                        > (any more suggestions?)
                        >
                        >
                        >


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                      • R.E.Mills
                        Jenn/Yana wrote: ... Why not geocities? Honestly, I m just wondering. One of my concerns is having to move the pages too soon because of some fly-by-night or
                        Message 11 of 26 , Jan 20, 2001
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                          Jenn/Yana wrote:
                          Mstislav wrote:

                          > Oh please, NOT geocities!!   Or Angelfire, or the like.

                          Why not geocities?  Honestly, I'm just wondering.  One of my concerns is having
                          to move the pages too soon because of some fly-by-night or unreliable web
                          server, and I figured that a "name-brand" might be more useful.

                          My primary dislike for those sites is based on their incessant popup ads and "notices," some of which don't release their memory when closed and thus consume resources on the user's computer.  Of course, all these things can ultimately be dealt with by the user, but the time involved and the constant interruptions to close more and more windows makes even routine surfing a chore rather than a pleasure.

                          My second dislike for them is the occasional generation of junk e-mail to visitors who NEVER click on an ad.  Not all the popups do that, but some have, in my experience.  I don't want to receive junk mail from advertisers just because I visited the SIG pages and did nothing other than close the popup ad window.   Even when you save a page for off-line viewing, the darned popup ads do their thing -- you can't even scroll through your directory without triggering them!  I've had limited success with ad-blocking software, especially on GeoCities.

                          That's my two cents' worth.

                          > How much space does the site require, and how soon?

                          10MG would be plenty, with room for expansion.  Any suggestions?  I don't need
                          the new page _too_ soon, I think my student account expires in March.

                          I've got an option I'll pursue -- 10 megs isn't much, really.  I'll let you know if it is feasible at the location I'm thinking of, and what the rules/conditions might be.

                          Lord Mstislav Novgorodskii
                          Web Minister,
                          Kingdom of Artemisia
                           

                        • V. J. Boitchenko
                          To avoid pop ups at Geocities you can install their geoguide banner and unlike Tripod or others Geocities do no require any particular place for it, which
                          Message 12 of 26 , Jan 20, 2001
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                            To avoid pop ups at Geocities you can install their geoguide banner and unlike Tripod or others Geocities do no require any particular place for it, which means that you can put it at the very bottom of the page where no one can see it. I never heard about the junk mail problem. If they do that which is considered spamming they run into the risk of being shut down.
                             
                            v
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: R.E.Mills
                            Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:58 PM
                            Subject: Re: [sig] Russian Knowledge Page

                            Jenn/Yana wrote:
                            Mstislav wrote:

                            > Oh please, NOT geocities!!   Or Angelfire, or the like.

                            Why not geocities?  Honestly, I'm just wondering.  One of my concerns is having
                            to move the pages too soon because of some fly-by-night or unreliable web
                            server, and I figured that a "name-brand" might be more useful.

                            My primary dislike for those sites is based on their incessant popup ads and "notices," some of which don't release their memory when closed and thus consume resources on the user's computer.  Of course, all these things can ultimately be dealt with by the user, but the time involved and the constant interruptions to close more and more windows makes even routine surfing a chore rather than a pleasure.

                            My second dislike for them is the occasional generation of junk e-mail to visitors who NEVER click on an ad.  Not all the popups do that, but some have, in my experience.  I don't want to receive junk mail from advertisers just because I visited the SIG pages and did nothing other than close the popup ad window.   Even when you save a page for off-line viewing, the darned popup ads do their thing -- you can't even scroll through your directory without triggering them!  I've had limited success with ad-blocking software, especially on GeoCities.

                            That's my two cents' worth.

                            > How much space does the site require, and how soon?

                            10MG would be plenty, with room for expansion.  Any suggestions?  I don't need
                            the new page _too_ soon, I think my student account expires in March.

                            I've got an option I'll pursue -- 10 megs isn't much, really.  I'll let you know if it is feasible at the location I'm thinking of, and what the rules/conditions might be.

                            Lord Mstislav Novgorodskii
                            Web Minister,
                            Kingdom of Artemisia
                             

                          • Jenn/Yana
                            I just wanted everyone to know that the Russian Knowledge Page has moved. I ve decided to put it up on both freeservers.com and Yahoo/Geocities. So if one
                            Message 13 of 26 , Apr 2, 2001
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                              I just wanted everyone to know that the Russian Knowledge Page has moved.
                              I've decided to put it up on both freeservers.com and Yahoo/Geocities. So
                              if one site is not responding, you can simply go to the mirror! I am
                              updating the links as I go, but it is a _very_ long process. Let me know
                              if you find a dead link, as always.

                              The main page is at
                              <http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com>
                              and the mirror is at
                              <http://www.geocities.com/medieval_russia>

                              Enjoy!

                              --Yana
                            • yanagroznaia
                              Is there anyone who would like to take over the maintenance of the Russian Knowledge Page? It seems that Freeservers has deleted the old pages at
                              Message 14 of 26 , Apr 3, 2006
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                                Is there anyone who would like to take over the maintenance of the
                                Russian Knowledge Page? It seems that Freeservers has deleted the old
                                pages at <http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com>, but never let me
                                know about it! I have copies of the last version (which isn't all that
                                recent, actually), so I can just pop those up again, but it would be
                                great if someone else could take over the project for me because....

                                I'm going to Grad School full time this Fall!

                                Woo hoo! Yay me! And goodbye any hint of free time.

                                So, if you are interested, go ahead and "apply" here, on the List.

                                --Yana, future professional libarryan (that's "librarian," to all
                                youse who don't speak Midwestern)
                              • Paul W Goldschmidt
                                I d be happy to host it on my domain (lots of ad-free space available) but I don t have the time to maintain it. -- Paul Wickenden
                                Message 15 of 26 , Apr 3, 2006
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                                  I'd be happy to host it on my domain (lots of ad-free space
                                  available) but I don't have the time to maintain it.

                                  -- Paul Wickenden

                                  At 05:12 PM 4/3/2006, you wrote:
                                  >Is there anyone who would like to take over the maintenance of the
                                  >Russian Knowledge Page? It seems that Freeservers has deleted the old
                                  >pages at <http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com>, but never let me
                                  >know about it! I have copies of the last version (which isn't all that
                                  >recent, actually), so I can just pop those up again, but it would be
                                  >great if someone else could take over the project for me because....
                                • Justin (ska Iustin Branov)
                                  Hi, I would be glad to take over maintenance of the pages. At some point, that may even include putting them on their own domain. I m looking at the potential
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Apr 4, 2006
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                                    Hi,

                                    I would be glad to take over maintenance of the pages.
                                    At some point, that may even include putting them on
                                    their own domain. I'm looking at the potential of
                                    signing up for hosting for myself sometime soon and
                                    the company I'm looking at allows registration of two
                                    domains when doing so.

                                    As to qualifications: I used to do web design as my
                                    job and am slowly catching myself back up on new
                                    stuff, i.e. CSS. I'm familiar with HTML, CFML.
                                    Working on ASP and JavaScript (which I never bothered
                                    to learn, too easy to do in CF).

                                    Iustin

                                    --- yanagroznaia <yanajenn@...> wrote:

                                    > Is there anyone who would like to take over the
                                    > maintenance of the
                                    > Russian Knowledge Page? It seems that Freeservers
                                    > has deleted the old
                                    > pages at <http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com>,
                                    > but never let me
                                    > know about it! I have copies of the last version
                                    > (which isn't all that
                                    > recent, actually), so I can just pop those up again,
                                    > but it would be
                                    > great if someone else could take over the project
                                    > for me because....
                                    >
                                    > I'm going to Grad School full time this Fall!
                                    >
                                    > Woo hoo! Yay me! And goodbye any hint of free time.
                                    >
                                    > So, if you are interested, go ahead and "apply"
                                    > here, on the List.
                                    >
                                    > --Yana, future professional libarryan (that's
                                    > "librarian," to all
                                    > youse who don't speak Midwestern)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >


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                                  • yanagroznaia
                                    ... Yay!!! Sounds like you ve got the job, unless there is anyone else that would like to arm-wrestle you for it. I will leave it up to you as to where to host
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Apr 4, 2006
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                                      --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, "Justin \(ska Iustin Branov\)"
                                      <jm_griffing@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I would be glad to take over maintenance of the pages.
                                      > At some point, that may even include putting them on
                                      > their own domain. I'm looking at the potential of
                                      > signing up for hosting for myself sometime soon and
                                      > the company I'm looking at allows registration of two
                                      > domains when doing so.

                                      Yay!!! Sounds like you've got the job, unless there is anyone else
                                      that would like to arm-wrestle you for it. I will leave it up to you
                                      as to where to host it, all I advise is that the site has a minimum of
                                      advertizements on it.

                                      > As to qualifications: I used to do web design as my
                                      > job and am slowly catching myself back up on new
                                      > stuff, i.e. CSS. I'm familiar with HTML, CFML.
                                      > Working on ASP and JavaScript (which I never bothered
                                      > to learn, too easy to do in CF).

                                      Awesome. I'm sure that you will do fine. Phew!

                                      Would you like to discuss the further handing-over on or off list?
                                      Your choice.

                                      --Yana
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