## Re: [sig] research - travel

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• ... Someone who knows about horses will have to tell us how many miles a horse usually goes per hour. (a rough estimate.) As a former backpacker traveling with
Message 1 of 6 , Sep 30, 2000
MHoll@... wrote:

> Thanks! That's really useful info!
>
> And here's a little tidbit on fast travel.
>
> (skipping some math) B. A. Rybakov estimates that when Aleksandr (not yet)
> Nevskii went from Novgorod to the Neva to fight the Swedes, his fairly small
> contingent covered 150 km (about 93 miles) in no more than 14 hours with two
> horses per rider. His courier would have covered this distance in relays in

Someone who knows about horses will have to tell us how many miles a horse
usually goes per hour. (a rough estimate.)

As a former backpacker traveling with a pack over rough ground, we used to go
from 10 to 14 miles a day. (14 if you're in better shape.) We had to calcluate
our daily hike to get from one spring to the next on the Appalachian trail.)

Leya
• Thanks! That s really useful info! And here s a little tidbit on fast travel. (skipping some math) B. A. Rybakov estimates that when Aleksandr (not yet)
Message 2 of 6 , Sep 30, 2000
Thanks! That's really useful info!

And here's a little tidbit on fast travel.

(skipping some math) B. A. Rybakov estimates that when Aleksandr (not yet)
Nevskii went from Novgorod to the Neva to fight the Swedes, his fairly small
contingent covered 150 km (about 93 miles) in no more than 14 hours with two
horses per rider. His courier would have covered this distance in relays in

The Swedes were traveling by boat at a speed of about 5 km/hour (3
miles/hour).

I wish they did calculations like that for every trade route in every season!

Predslava.
• Hmmm... As it happens, the question of horseback travel times has recently been aired over on Britarch, the big mailing list for British
Message 3 of 6 , Oct 1 7:43 AM
Hmmm...
As it happens, the question of horseback travel times has recently been
aired over on Britarch, the big mailing list for British
archaeology/archaeologists. Here are some extracts - note that none of these
opinions are mine!!!

""According to Col. Gunter et al with regard to his account of the 'flight
of Charles II' from Hampshire into Sussex... He was able to travel with the
King and escort (not military!) at a gentle trot, and including a stop for
lunch, off the parlimantarian guarded roads, a distance of about 70 mile in
one instance.""

"" I have heard old men talk about driving a pony from Norwich to Ipswich
Cambridge the next day. I have driven my horse 40 miles in a day with no
trouble.""

_Cross-Country_:

""The Golden Horseshoe ride over Exmoor is the most gruelling endurance ride
in the world and takes two forms,100 miles over 2 days,or 75 miles, 50 on
day 1 and 25 on day 2. Most riders are disqualified during the course by vet
checks. A fit pony could do 30 miles a day for 3 days top whack I'd say. ""

""Some years ago I took part in a sponsored "long distance" ride. It was 20
miles, along forest tracks, and on a fit horse it took me 2 hours.""

"" it looks like about 30 miles a day is the thing. ""

HIH

Alastair
• Hello all!! A horses trot is about 6-8 MPH. A walk, about 4.A gallop, about 12-15. However, there was a pony express rider who did some 120 miles or more on
Message 4 of 6 , Oct 1 7:51 AM
Hello all!!
However, there was a pony express rider who did some 120 miles or more on
one horse, as there were no remounts. I remember seeing in a show about
Mongols that the Khans messengers Could and Did about 100 miles a day. The
horses were in GOOD shape. There are regularly Endurance riders who do 100
miles in a race. Nowadays, though, there are vet stations, and the horse
has to be cooled down, pulse rate dropped to a certain level, checked for
dehydration, etc before each team goes on. I doubt the period practice did
anything like that.Like the pony express, I am sure they rode till the
horse dropped or a remount was gotten.
Sorry to be so long winded...LOL Take care all!!
Judwiga

> Someone who knows about horses will have to tell us how many miles a horse
> usually goes per hour. (a rough estimate.)
>
> As a former backpacker traveling with a pack over rough ground, we used
to go
> from 10 to 14 miles a day. (14 if you're in better shape.) We had to
calcluate
> our daily hike to get from one spring to the next on the Appalachian
trail.)
>
> Leya

Judwiga Czarna Pika
• Judwiga wrote... ... I wonder... Ignoring draft animals for a moment, a riding horse was a major expense - the archaeological evidence from pre-12th century
Message 5 of 6 , Oct 2 12:47 PM
Judwiga wrote...

>Nowadays, though, there are vet stations, and the horse
>has to be cooled down, pulse rate dropped to a certain
>level, checked for dehydration, etc before each team goes
>on. I doubt the period practice did anything like that.Like
>the pony express, I am sure they rode till the horse dropped
>or a remount was gotten.

I wonder... Ignoring draft animals for a moment, a riding horse was a major
expense - the archaeological evidence from pre-12th century Bohemia shows
that such beasts were confined to the "nobility" (i.e. the various bits,
straps, buckles etc. appear only within the hillforst/enclosures of the
ruling elites.) It's rather like a modern sports car - noticeable (i.e.
flashy), expensive, costs a fortune to feed, and has to be maintained by a
team of specialists... Of course, warhorses (which one would expect to be
cost...

Post routes like that of the Mongols or others were an exception, in that
horses would have been bred by the central authority for the purpose, and in
the knowledge that the attrition rate might be high (although unless the
message was REALLY urgent I suspect that the riders wouldn't have belted
along at maximum speed anyway...).

Yrs aye

Alastair
• In a message dated 10/2/2000 2:48:30 PM Central Daylight Time, ... Good point. Although they didn t have vets in period, I suspect each rider knew a lot more
Message 6 of 6 , Oct 2 8:21 PM
In a message dated 10/2/2000 2:48:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
alastair@... writes:

> It's rather like a modern sports car - noticeable (i.e.
> flashy), expensive, costs a fortune to feed, and has to be maintained by a
> team of specialists... Of course, warhorses (which one would expect to be
> fitter/stronger) had to be specially trained, adding even more to their
> cost...

Good point. Although they didn't have vets in period, I suspect each rider
knew a lot more about horses than most of our riders today, even endurance
riders (average vs. average, of course; and you'd be surprised how little
some "horse people" know!). When a living horse is a matter of life and death
(forget the price for now), I'd think they'd be rather careful.

Predslava.
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