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  • Jenn/Yana
    ... Eep! I was typing too fast.... ... Good lord, of course not! But I would love to have a pair to schlep about in camp with while wearing my Russian
    Message 1 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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      >Yana, she who misspells my name ;), wrote:

      Eep! I was typing too fast....

      >By the way - I am sure Yana knows this, but in case someone else doesn't..
      >All the books I've read (Rabinovich, Arcihovskiy, a few others) agree that
      >lapti were worn by the poorest villagers. So don't go wearing them with
      >your court garb :).

      Good lord, of course not! But I would love to have a pair to schlep about
      in camp with while wearing my Russian "grubbies."

      Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the
      shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as are
      found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
      Dmitriy (note spelling)?

      --Yana
    • Dmitriy V. Ryaboy
      ... One would hope.. :) I ll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there s no reason to get excited if we can t get them here. When I e-mailed
      Message 2 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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        >Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the
        >shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as are
        >found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
        >Dmitriy (note spelling)?
        >
        >--Yana

        One would hope.. :)
        I'll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there's no reason
        to get excited if we can't get them here.
        When I e-mailed him, he basically said, "just tell me what you want."
        -D
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      • Christine Jacobs
        Yana wrote:Anything you can find on making , the woven bast shoes. Patterns, historical and modern information, an instructional video....I
        Message 3 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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          Yana wrote:

          > Anything you can find on making <lapti>, the woven bast shoes. Patterns,
          > historical and modern information, an instructional video....
          >


          I was planning on asking one of the babushki who sell them in all the
          tourist spots to teach me, but I can't seem to find any! Moscow's changed a
          bit since I was here 5 years ago. I'll do my best, though!

          > So how did your summer language class go?
          >


          It went well, though somehow, it feels like my Russian has gotten worse
          since I got to Moscow! Just a little frustrating.

          :)
          Kseniia S.



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        • Christine Jacobs
          Yana and Dmitriy wrote: Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are
          Message 4 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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            Yana and Dmitriy wrote:

            >
            > >Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that
            the
            > >shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as
            are
            > >found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
            > >Dmitriy (note spelling)?
            > >
            > >--Yana
            >
            > One would hope.. :)
            > I'll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there's no
            reason
            > to get excited if we can't get them here.
            > When I e-mailed him, he basically said, "just tell me what you want."
            > -D

            If there's anything I can do from here, let me know.

            -- Kseniia S.


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          • MHoll@aol.com
            In a message dated 9/5/2000 8:23:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ... happening ... Nope. I was going to post the same note (same authors) about the same thing --
            Message 5 of 13 , Sep 6, 2000
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              In a message dated 9/5/2000 8:23:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
              dvryaboy@... writes:

              > Dmitriy
              > half expecting someone to pull out a quote from some absolute authority
              > that completely disproves everything I've just said.. that's been
              happening
              > a lot lately :

              Nope. I was going to post the same note (same authors) about the same thing
              -- lapti are for poor villagers. Fine shoes out of soft leather are for the
              wealthy. Basic turn shoes for us pre-Tartar personae.

              Predslava.
            • MHoll@aol.com
              In a message dated 9/6/2000 1:54:45 AM Central Daylight Time, ... Yep, that s typical. Those who add Russia to their language learning don t do as well as
              Message 6 of 13 , Sep 6, 2000
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                In a message dated 9/6/2000 1:54:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
                chrstnj@... writes:

                > It went well, though somehow, it feels like my Russian has gotten worse
                > since I got to Moscow! Just a little frustrating.
                >

                Yep, that's typical. Those who add Russia to their language learning don't do
                as well as those who do all of their language learning in the US. My opinion
                is that it has to do with the stress of being in a strange environment
                (culture shock) and also language instruction techniques -- American
                specialists have developed very efficient courses of study for Americans. The
                whole cultural/linguistic/educational background has an impact on how and how
                well a person learns and/or fits a specific methodology.

                Going to Russia is for culture and the foreign-country experience. Not for
                language learning. It's something better experienced *after* you finish your
                language training.

                Note I'm not *against* exchange programs, heavens forbid! But I don't think
                exchange programs should *replace* language study.

                OK, so there you have my language-instructor rant. Sorry for the bandwidth.
                And Kseniia, just do as much Russian as you can -- listen to the radio, watch
                sub-titled films (and sit behind a lady with a big hat so you can't read the
                subtitles ;-)), read, talk to anyone you can, any passing, visiting, or even
                permanent Russian in your area. And if you're old enough, do what we did as
                grad students -- have a Russian table on Fridays. Amazing what a glass of
                beer or two does to you linguistic abilities... Of course, three or four
                beers will reverse the effect...

                Predslava.
              • timbo@marcon.org
                Jenn, After a few months of carbonization, I m back and writing! I ll be sending alonga couple articles by the end of the week. Good to be back! Tim
                Message 7 of 13 , Sep 25, 2000
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                  Jenn,
                  After a few months of carbonization, I'm back and writing! I'll be
                  sending alonga couple articles by the end of the week. Good to be
                  back!
                  Tim
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