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  • Christine Jacobs
    Sorry to reply to my own message...On a related note, on Saturday I coincidentally ran into a small group from the Moscow group Northern Wolf as they
    Message 1 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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      Sorry to reply to my own message...

      > On a related note, on Saturday I coincidentally ran into a small group
      from
      > the Moscow group "Northern Wolf" as they were just shutting down a
      > demonstration. They're familiar with the SCA and asked me to come back
      next
      > week so I could see more of what they're about. I'm hoping they're open
      to
      > letting a complete amateur hang out with them...

      This should be "Silver Wolf." (Serebryanny Volk) Argh.

      -- Kseniia Smol'nyanina



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    • Dmitriy V. Ryaboy
      Try Nasledie Predkov -- 2nd Frunzenskaya, build. 107, firthest entrance from the yard, basement, 7-10 TuThF. If you e-mail pavel.popov@zenit.ru beforehand,
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        Try "Nasledie Predkov" -- 2nd Frunzenskaya, build. 107, firthest entrance
        from the yard, basement, 7-10 TuThF. If you e-mail pavel.popov@...
        beforehand, he'll give you directions and stuff. By th way, they make neat
        period footwear from $30 a pair.. got room to bring stuff back? :)

        As for museums, the Kremlin Armoury is nice..

        Say would you mind doing me a great favor? I need some study photos of a
        helmet they have locked up in storage somewhere..

        Congratulations, what a wonderful opportunity!


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      • Christine Jacobs
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          > Try "Nasledie Predkov" -- 2nd Frunzenskaya, build. 107, firthest entrance
          > from the yard, basement, 7-10 TuThF. If you e-mail pavel.popov@...
          > beforehand, he'll give you directions and stuff. By th way, they make
          neat
          > period footwear from $30 a pair.. got room to bring stuff back? :)
          >


          Thanks, Dmitriy! Do you know these folks personally? Can I drop your name?

          > As for museums, the Kremlin Armoury is nice..
          >


          It's at the top of my list. :)

          > Say would you mind doing me a great favor? I need some study photos of a
          > helmet they have locked up in storage somewhere..
          >


          Send me the details privately, I'll see what I can do. If it involves
          specialized vocab in Russian, you might want to give me the Russian words.
          Katzner is a great dictionary, but it's missing some key parts of my
          personal leksicon!

          -- Kseniia


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        • Jenn/Yana
          ... Anything you can find on making , the woven bast shoes. Patterns, historical and modern information, an instructional video.... So how did your
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            Kseniia wrote:
            >Can anyone recommend any good museums in the general
            >Moscow/Golden Ring region, or anything else related to our period to keep my
            >eye out for?

            Anything you can find on making <lapti>, the woven bast shoes. Patterns,
            historical and modern information, an instructional video....

            So how did your summer language class go?


            Dmitri wrote:
            >Try "Nasledie Predkov" --
            > By th way, they make neat
            >period footwear from $30 a pair.. got room to bring stuff back? :)

            Well, now you've done it. Tell me more!!!!

            --Yana
          • Dmitriy V. Ryaboy
            ... go to www.rpg.ru/np and find the section called MACTEP .. there are pictures in there. I ve exchanged e-mails with the man who makes these, he s
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              >From: Jenn/Yana <jdmiller2@...>

              > >Try "Nasledie Predkov" --
              > > By th way, they make neat
              > >period footwear from $30 a pair.. got room to bring stuff back? :)
              >
              >Well, now you've done it. Tell me more!!!!
              >
              >--Yana

              go to www.rpg.ru/np and find the section called "MACTEP".. there are
              pictures in there. I've exchanged e-mails with the man who makes these,
              he's interested.
              Too bad by the time he replied my friend who was going to Russia was already
              on the plane :(

              -Dmitriy
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            • Dmitriy V. Ryaboy
              ... By the way - I am sure Yana knows this, but in case someone else doesn t.. All the books I ve read (Rabinovich, Arcihovskiy, a few others) agree that lapti
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                Yana, she who misspells my name ;), wrote:
                >Anything you can find on making <lapti>, the woven bast shoes. Patterns,
                >historical and modern information, an instructional video....


                By the way - I am sure Yana knows this, but in case someone else doesn't..
                All the books I've read (Rabinovich, Arcihovskiy, a few others) agree that
                lapti were worn by the poorest villagers. So don't go wearing them with
                your court garb :).

                -Dmitriy
                half expecting someone to pull out a quote from some absolute authority
                that completely disproves everything I've just said.. that's been happening
                a lot lately :)
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              • Jenn/Yana
                ... Eep! I was typing too fast.... ... Good lord, of course not! But I would love to have a pair to schlep about in camp with while wearing my Russian
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                  >Yana, she who misspells my name ;), wrote:

                  Eep! I was typing too fast....

                  >By the way - I am sure Yana knows this, but in case someone else doesn't..
                  >All the books I've read (Rabinovich, Arcihovskiy, a few others) agree that
                  >lapti were worn by the poorest villagers. So don't go wearing them with
                  >your court garb :).

                  Good lord, of course not! But I would love to have a pair to schlep about
                  in camp with while wearing my Russian "grubbies."

                  Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the
                  shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as are
                  found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
                  Dmitriy (note spelling)?

                  --Yana
                • Dmitriy V. Ryaboy
                  ... One would hope.. :) I ll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there s no reason to get excited if we can t get them here. When I e-mailed
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                    >Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the
                    >shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as are
                    >found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
                    >Dmitriy (note spelling)?
                    >
                    >--Yana

                    One would hope.. :)
                    I'll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there's no reason
                    to get excited if we can't get them here.
                    When I e-mailed him, he basically said, "just tell me what you want."
                    -D
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                  • Christine Jacobs
                    Yana wrote:Anything you can find on making , the woven bast shoes. Patterns, historical and modern information, an instructional video....I
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                      Yana wrote:

                      > Anything you can find on making <lapti>, the woven bast shoes. Patterns,
                      > historical and modern information, an instructional video....
                      >


                      I was planning on asking one of the babushki who sell them in all the
                      tourist spots to teach me, but I can't seem to find any! Moscow's changed a
                      bit since I was here 5 years ago. I'll do my best, though!

                      > So how did your summer language class go?
                      >


                      It went well, though somehow, it feels like my Russian has gotten worse
                      since I got to Moscow! Just a little frustrating.

                      :)
                      Kseniia S.



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                    • Christine Jacobs
                      Yana and Dmitriy wrote: Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that the shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are
                      Message 10 of 13 , Sep 5, 2000
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                        Yana and Dmitriy wrote:

                        >
                        > >Back to those leather shoes we were just talking about. I assume that
                        the
                        > >shoe patterns and references the Moscow shop are using are the same as
                        are
                        > >found in the typical archaeology books on Russia. Any ideas about this,
                        > >Dmitriy (note spelling)?
                        > >
                        > >--Yana
                        >
                        > One would hope.. :)
                        > I'll ask -- but you are putting the horse before the cart, there's no
                        reason
                        > to get excited if we can't get them here.
                        > When I e-mailed him, he basically said, "just tell me what you want."
                        > -D

                        If there's anything I can do from here, let me know.

                        -- Kseniia S.


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                      • MHoll@aol.com
                        In a message dated 9/5/2000 8:23:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ... happening ... Nope. I was going to post the same note (same authors) about the same thing --
                        Message 11 of 13 , Sep 6, 2000
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                          In a message dated 9/5/2000 8:23:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
                          dvryaboy@... writes:

                          > Dmitriy
                          > half expecting someone to pull out a quote from some absolute authority
                          > that completely disproves everything I've just said.. that's been
                          happening
                          > a lot lately :

                          Nope. I was going to post the same note (same authors) about the same thing
                          -- lapti are for poor villagers. Fine shoes out of soft leather are for the
                          wealthy. Basic turn shoes for us pre-Tartar personae.

                          Predslava.
                        • MHoll@aol.com
                          In a message dated 9/6/2000 1:54:45 AM Central Daylight Time, ... Yep, that s typical. Those who add Russia to their language learning don t do as well as
                          Message 12 of 13 , Sep 6, 2000
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                            In a message dated 9/6/2000 1:54:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
                            chrstnj@... writes:

                            > It went well, though somehow, it feels like my Russian has gotten worse
                            > since I got to Moscow! Just a little frustrating.
                            >

                            Yep, that's typical. Those who add Russia to their language learning don't do
                            as well as those who do all of their language learning in the US. My opinion
                            is that it has to do with the stress of being in a strange environment
                            (culture shock) and also language instruction techniques -- American
                            specialists have developed very efficient courses of study for Americans. The
                            whole cultural/linguistic/educational background has an impact on how and how
                            well a person learns and/or fits a specific methodology.

                            Going to Russia is for culture and the foreign-country experience. Not for
                            language learning. It's something better experienced *after* you finish your
                            language training.

                            Note I'm not *against* exchange programs, heavens forbid! But I don't think
                            exchange programs should *replace* language study.

                            OK, so there you have my language-instructor rant. Sorry for the bandwidth.
                            And Kseniia, just do as much Russian as you can -- listen to the radio, watch
                            sub-titled films (and sit behind a lady with a big hat so you can't read the
                            subtitles ;-)), read, talk to anyone you can, any passing, visiting, or even
                            permanent Russian in your area. And if you're old enough, do what we did as
                            grad students -- have a Russian table on Fridays. Amazing what a glass of
                            beer or two does to you linguistic abilities... Of course, three or four
                            beers will reverse the effect...

                            Predslava.
                          • timbo@marcon.org
                            Jenn, After a few months of carbonization, I m back and writing! I ll be sending alonga couple articles by the end of the week. Good to be back! Tim
                            Message 13 of 13 , Sep 25, 2000
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                              Jenn,
                              After a few months of carbonization, I'm back and writing! I'll be
                              sending alonga couple articles by the end of the week. Good to be
                              back!
                              Tim
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