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Re: [sig] Book of Veles and the Zorya

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  • serguei plonski
    Hello, Predslava!
    Message 1 of 12 , Aug 3, 2000
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      Hello, Predslava!


      <..And once again, I need to caution all those who are doing historical
      research
      >-- these books are not sources of historical information. They are made up,
      >and I am annoyed that they continue to be passed as historical fact..>

      I just want to make a couple of points here:

      first of all, neither the book itself nor any of its interpreters suggest
      that the Book of Veles is a history textbook. It cannot be even labelled
      "chronicles". It is a collection of sacred writings of one of the religious
      sects of ancient Slavs. Would you consider studying history from the Bible
      or Bhagavat Gita?

      And secondly, it is very easy to dismiss the book just by calling it a fake.
      But shouldn't it be proven to be a fake then? Why don't we get one of those
      historians to point us out the errors and abnormaliies that would render it
      a fake?

      But this hasn't been done. Some of the critics don't even bother to read the
      source itself, being convinced that it's a fake from the start. I'm not
      saying it's authentic, but until the serious research is done on that book
      it should remain inconclusive.

      BB

      Sergei
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    • Vaclav von Pressburg
      On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 11:43:07AM -0400, serguei plonski wrote: . . . ... The claim is that the Book of Veles is a literary fake, not a religious book. ...
      Message 2 of 12 , Aug 4, 2000
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        On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 11:43:07AM -0400, serguei plonski wrote:
        . . .
        > first of all, neither the book itself nor any of its interpreters suggest
        > that the Book of Veles is a history textbook. It cannot be even labelled
        > "chronicles". It is a collection of sacred writings of one of the religious
        > sects of ancient Slavs. Would you consider studying history from the Bible
        > or Bhagavat Gita?

        The claim is that the Book of Veles is a literary fake, not a
        religious book.

        > And secondly, it is very easy to dismiss the book just by calling it a fake.
        > But shouldn't it be proven to be a fake then? Why don't we get one of those
        > historians to point us out the errors and abnormalities that would render it
        > a fake?

        The Book of Veles is one of a class of romantic fakes, like the
        Osian cycle of Scotland. I seem to recall a similar work from 19th
        century Czech literature. The case against this class of work rests
        on the following grounds

        1) Lack of _any_ indication of such information in the period
        between the supposed composition of the work and its
        publication. Thus for the Book of Veles there is a complete
        absence of evidence for the survival of Slavic paganism into
        medieval and modern times.
        2) Lack of an original manuscript. This is a very important
        consideration. If you found an old, hidden manuscript that
        had such important information would you lose track of it? Even
        if it were disintegrating, you would keep the pieces.
        3) Simply reading the handwriting of an old manuscript is
        difficult. The average person who is used to reading printed
        books would need the assistance of a palaeographic specialist to
        decipher most old manuscripts.
        4) The language is anachronistic. This doesn't just involve
        grammatical forms and word usage, but also style which can
        change significantly in the course of only a century. As an
        example, pick up a book published in 1910 or 1920 and compare
        the style to that in a current English book.

        --
        Waclaw von Pressburg Veritas liberabit uos
        vaclav@...
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