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  • Patty
    Labas! (Hello!) Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This
    Message 1 of 16 , May 3, 2012
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      Labas! (Hello!)

      Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This is very new -- like within the last weekend or two. We're entering a phase where heraldic submissions can use either the old rules or the new rules, and then the new rules will reign supreme.

      The good news is that a couple of the appendices to the new RfS address some of the naming conventions for the countries included in SIG.

      Appendix A (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixA) lists naming patterns by language group. In other words, did a particular group of closely related languages have patronymics, double given names, or locative bynames? Did the given name go first or last?

      Here are the language groups within SIG's purview (obviously there are others):

      Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian, etc.)
      Hungarian/Romanian
      Jewish
      North Slavic (Polish, Czech)
      Romany
      Russian/East Slavic
      South Slavic (Serbian, Croatian, etc.)

      Finnish is listed under Scandinavian -- I know we don't really talk about Finland on this list, but it does border on the Baltic lands and northern Rus.

      You can also take a look at Appendix C (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixC), which basically tells you how to "mix and match." You can take name elements from different languages within the same group as long as the name elements are not more than 500 years apart. If you take name elements from two different language groups, the name elements have to be documented to within 300 years of each other. There are other allowances and whatnot, but have your local herald explain them to you if necessary.

      I think we already get that we can't register names like "Kazimir mac Corwin," but Appendix C will help us deal when we find one name element in our persona's language but can't find the other name element in the same language. And Appendix A gives us some basic information about the structures of names in a language.

      If you have a beef with anything in this document ... hey, I'm just the messenger. Tell the heraldic officials of your Kingdom.

      I'm still digesting these new rules myself, so I'm no expert in them yet. I just happened to skim the rules and noticed the words "Baltic" and "Slavic" and stuff like that. :-)

      Yours in service,
      Lady Patricia of Trakai
      (using the legal-name and lingua-Anglica allowances)


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    • Patches the gypsy
      Silly question: Why is Romany listed in this group? Is it a reference to Romania or to gypsies? I ask because gypsy Romany is part of a different linguistic
      Message 2 of 16 , May 4, 2012
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        Silly question:

        Why is Romany listed in this group? Is it a reference to Romania or to gypsies? I ask because gypsy Romany is part of a different linguistic group than the others and to list it as "Romany" can be confusing for members of one group when they are looking for the rules of another.

        Patches

        --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Patty <Patoodle@...> wrote:
        >
        > Labas! (Hello!)
        >
        > Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This is very new -- like within the last weekend or two. We're entering a phase where heraldic submissions can use either the old rules or the new rules, and then the new rules will reign supreme.
        >
        > The good news is that a couple of the appendices to the new RfS address some of the naming conventions for the countries included in SIG.
        >
        > Appendix A (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixA) lists naming patterns by language group. In other words, did a particular group of closely related languages have patronymics, double given names, or locative bynames? Did the given name go first or last?
        >
        > Here are the language groups within SIG's purview (obviously there are others):
        >
        > Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian, etc.)
        > Hungarian/Romanian
        > Jewish
        > North Slavic (Polish, Czech)
        > Romany
        > Russian/East Slavic
        > South Slavic (Serbian, Croatian, etc.)
        >
        > Finnish is listed under Scandinavian -- I know we don't really talk about Finland on this list, but it does border on the Baltic lands and northern Rus.
        >
        > You can also take a look at Appendix C (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixC), which basically tells you how to "mix and match." You can take name elements from different languages within the same group as long as the name elements are not more than 500 years apart. If you take name elements from two different language groups, the name elements have to be documented to within 300 years of each other. There are other allowances and whatnot, but have your local herald explain them to you if necessary.
        >
        > I think we already get that we can't register names like "Kazimir mac Corwin," but Appendix C will help us deal when we find one name element in our persona's language but can't find the other name element in the same language. And Appendix A gives us some basic information about the structures of names in a language.
        >
        > If you have a beef with anything in this document ... hey, I'm just the messenger. Tell the heraldic officials of your Kingdom.
        >
        > I'm still digesting these new rules myself, so I'm no expert in them yet. I just happened to skim the rules and noticed the words "Baltic" and "Slavic" and stuff like that. :-)
        >
        > Yours in service,
        > Lady Patricia of Trakai
        > (using the legal-name and lingua-Anglica allowances)
        >
        >
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        >
      • Patty
        Romany = gypsies in Appendix A (Romania is grouped with Hungary there). I added Romany to the list because some people have asked about Romany stuff on
        Message 3 of 16 , May 4, 2012
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          "Romany" = "gypsies" in Appendix A (Romania is grouped with Hungary there). I added Romany to the list because some people have asked about Romany stuff on this list over the years.

          Here's what Appendix A has to say about Romany:

          "Romany are known to have used two names: a private name used only in their community, and a vernacular use name, used in interactions with locals. We do not currently have evidence of the elements or structure of private names before 1600; without such evidence they cannot be registered. In general, forming a name appropriate for the desired region/language where a Romany persona is living (e.g., "A from X") follows period usage."

          Were there Romany in Eastern Europe during the Middle Ages, or were they more in southern Europe?

          Cheers,
          Patricia



          -----Original Message-----
          From: Patches the gypsy <raelee@...>
          To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:52 am
          Subject: [sig] Re: SIG-related names, under new heraldic rules


          Silly question:

          Why is Romany listed in this group? Is it a reference to Romania or to gypsies?
          I ask because gypsy Romany is part of a different linguistic group than the
          others and to list it as "Romany" can be confusing for members of one group when
          they are looking for the rules of another.

          Patches

          --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Patty <Patoodle@...> wrote:
          >
          > Labas! (Hello!)
          >
          > Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD
          just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This is very new
          -- like within the last weekend or two. We're entering a phase where heraldic
          submissions can use either the old rules or the new rules, and then the new
          rules will reign supreme.
          >
          > The good news is that a couple of the appendices to the new RfS address some
          of the naming conventions for the countries included in SIG.
          >
          > Appendix A (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixA)
          lists naming patterns by language group. In other words, did a particular group
          of closely related languages have patronymics, double given names, or locative
          bynames? Did the given name go first or last?
          >
          > Here are the language groups within SIG's purview (obviously there are
          others):
          >
          > Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian, etc.)
          > Hungarian/Romanian
          > Jewish
          > North Slavic (Polish, Czech)
          > Romany
          > Russian/East Slavic
          > South Slavic (Serbian, Croatian, etc.)
          >





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        • Patches the gypsy
          They were there in later period (about 1400-1500s), but they were generally slaves. There may have been a handful of clans that kept their freedom by
          Message 4 of 16 , May 4, 2012
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            They were there in later period (about 1400-1500s), but they were generally slaves. There may have been a handful of clans that kept their freedom by wandering around, but this has not been an accepted as a "confirmed" theory.

            Patches

            --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Patty <Patoodle@...> wrote:
            >
            > "Romany" = "gypsies" in Appendix A (Romania is grouped with Hungary there). I added Romany to the list because some people have asked about Romany stuff on this list over the years.
            >
            > Here's what Appendix A has to say about Romany:
            >
            > "Romany are known to have used two names: a private name used only in their community, and a vernacular use name, used in interactions with locals. We do not currently have evidence of the elements or structure of private names before 1600; without such evidence they cannot be registered. In general, forming a name appropriate for the desired region/language where a Romany persona is living (e.g., "A from X") follows period usage."
            >
            > Were there Romany in Eastern Europe during the Middle Ages, or were they more in southern Europe?
            >
            > Cheers,
            > Patricia
            >
            >
            >
            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Patches the gypsy <raelee@...>
            > To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:52 am
            > Subject: [sig] Re: SIG-related names, under new heraldic rules
            >
            >
            > Silly question:
            >
            > Why is Romany listed in this group? Is it a reference to Romania or to gypsies?
            > I ask because gypsy Romany is part of a different linguistic group than the
            > others and to list it as "Romany" can be confusing for members of one group when
            > they are looking for the rules of another.
            >
            > Patches
            >
            > --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Patty <Patoodle@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Labas! (Hello!)
            > >
            > > Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD
            > just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This is very new
            > -- like within the last weekend or two. We're entering a phase where heraldic
            > submissions can use either the old rules or the new rules, and then the new
            > rules will reign supreme.
            > >
            > > The good news is that a couple of the appendices to the new RfS address some
            > of the naming conventions for the countries included in SIG.
            > >
            > > Appendix A (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixA)
            > lists naming patterns by language group. In other words, did a particular group
            > of closely related languages have patronymics, double given names, or locative
            > bynames? Did the given name go first or last?
            > >
            > > Here are the language groups within SIG's purview (obviously there are
            > others):
            > >
            > > Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian, etc.)
            > > Hungarian/Romanian
            > > Jewish
            > > North Slavic (Polish, Czech)
            > > Romany
            > > Russian/East Slavic
            > > South Slavic (Serbian, Croatian, etc.)
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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            >
          • Sfandra
            *facepalm* Yeah, maybe this year I can get around to registering my name, armory, household name, and badge....   ... Sfandra ****************** Boiarynia
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              *facepalm*
              Yeah, maybe this year I can get around to registering my name, armory, household name, and badge....
               
              ---sheepishly (though there are no sheep in my armory)
              Sfandra

              ******************
              Boiarynia Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova
              O.L., O.M., K.O.E., Haus VDK, East Kingdom
              http://sfandra.webs.com
              Never 'pearl' your butt.
              ******************


              ________________________________
              From: Patty <Patoodle@...>
              To: sig@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:46 PM
              Subject: [sig] SIG-related names, under new heraldic rules

              Labas! (Hello!)

              Your local friendly herald may not have told you this yet, but the SCA BoD just adopted a new set of heraldic Rules for Submissions (RfS). This is very new -- like within the last weekend or two. We're entering a phase where heraldic submissions can use either the old rules or the new rules, and then the new rules will reign supreme.

              The good news is that a couple of the appendices to the new RfS address some of the naming conventions for the countries included in SIG.

              Appendix A (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixA) lists naming patterns by language group. In other words, did a particular group of closely related languages have patronymics, double given names, or locative bynames? Did the given name go first or last?

              Here are the language groups within SIG's purview (obviously there are others):

              Baltic (Lithuanian, Latvian, etc.)
              Hungarian/Romanian
              Jewish
              North Slavic (Polish, Czech)
              Romany
              Russian/East Slavic
              South Slavic (Serbian, Croatian, etc.)

              Finnish is listed under Scandinavian -- I know we don't really talk about Finland on this list, but it does border on the Baltic lands and northern Rus.

              You can also take a look at Appendix C (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs_final_draft.html#AppendixC), which basically tells you how to "mix and match." You can take name elements from different languages within the same group as long as the name elements are not more than 500 years apart. If you take name elements from two different language groups, the name elements have to be documented to within 300 years of each other. There are other allowances and whatnot, but have your local herald explain them to you if necessary.

              I think we already get that we can't register names like "Kazimir mac Corwin," but Appendix C will help us deal when we find one name element in our persona's language but can't find the other name element in the same language. And Appendix A gives us some basic information about the structures of names in a language.

              If you have a beef with anything in this document ... hey, I'm just the messenger. Tell the heraldic officials of your Kingdom.

              I'm still digesting these new rules myself, so I'm no expert in them yet. I just happened to skim the rules and noticed the words "Baltic" and "Slavic" and stuff like that. :-)

              Yours in service,
              Lady Patricia of Trakai
              (using the legal-name and lingua-Anglica allowances)


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            • iegrappling@aol.com
              Dom u ozera or Dom ozera mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator. Are either of these of
              Message 6 of 16 , May 7, 2012
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                "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.

                Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?

                -Halbrust


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              • aldo
                It means HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS. Aldo From: iegrappling@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM To: sig@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sig] Household name
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                  It means

                  HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS.

                  Aldo

                  From: iegrappling@...
                  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM
                  To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [sig] Household name help



                  "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.

                  Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?

                  -Halbrust

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                • Ladie Lada
                  I would not use Dom ozera because it literally means house in which the lake lives. I don t think that s what you are trying to convey :) Lada Sent from my
                  Message 8 of 16 , May 7, 2012
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                    I would not use Dom ozera because it literally means house in which the lake lives. I don't think that's what you are trying to convey :)

                    Lada

                    Sent from my iPhone

                    On May 7, 2012, at 11:22 AM, "aldo" <turanomar@...> wrote:

                    > It means
                    >
                    > HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS.
                    >
                    > Aldo
                    >
                    > From: iegrappling@...
                    > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM
                    > To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [sig] Household name help
                    >
                    > "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.
                    >
                    > Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?
                    >
                    > -Halbrust
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                  • Nenad Bađunov
                    Dom u ozera means the house at the lake (directly) meaning the house beside the like or at the lake bank. It is nice name for the household. ... [Non-text
                    Message 9 of 16 , May 7, 2012
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                      Dom u ozera means the house at the lake (directly) meaning the house
                      beside the like or at the lake bank. It is nice name for the household.



                      On 5/7/2012 17:46, Ladie Lada wrote:
                      > I would not use Dom ozera because it literally means house in which the lake lives. I don't think that's what you are trying to convey :)
                      >
                      > Lada
                      >
                      > Sent from my iPhone
                      >
                      > On May 7, 2012, at 11:22 AM, "aldo"<turanomar@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >> It means
                      >>
                      >> HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS.
                      >>
                      >> Aldo
                      >>
                      >> From: iegrappling@...
                      >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM
                      >> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Subject: [sig] Household name help
                      >>
                      >> "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.
                      >>
                      >> Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?
                      >>
                      >> -Halbrust
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                    • Anya Stickney
                      I don t know what would have been used in period. But in modern Russian, Dom u ozera (ÄÏÍ Õ ÏÚÅÒÁ) means house near the lake or house of the lake.
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                        I don't know what would have been used in period. But in modern
                        Russian, "Dom u ozera" (дом у озера) means house near the lake or
                        house of the lake. This is the version you probably want.
                        As an aside, "дом на берегу озера" means house on the bank of the lake.

                        Anya


                        On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Ladie Lada <ladie_lada@...> wrote:
                        > I would not use Dom ozera because it literally means house in which the lake lives. I don't think that's what you are trying to convey :)
                        >
                        > Lada
                        >
                        > Sent from my iPhone
                        >
                        > On May 7, 2012, at 11:22 AM, "aldo" <turanomar@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >> It means
                        >>
                        >> HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS.
                        >>
                        >> Aldo
                        >>
                        >> From: iegrappling@...
                        >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM
                        >> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                        >> Subject: [sig] Household name help
                        >>
                        >> "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.
                        >>
                        >> Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?
                        >>
                        >> -Halbrust
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                      • Ladie Lada
                        Based on modern grammar I would say дом на озере. It means on the bank/ берег and it s inferring the bank / берег by using preposition
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                          Based on modern grammar I would say дом на озере.
                          It means on the bank/ берег and it's inferring the bank / берег by using preposition на.

                          Using "у" vs. "на" is the difference between saying "next to" vs. "at. Or on".

                          It is a really nice household name.

                          Lada


                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On May 7, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Nenad Bađunov <nenad.pelagrin@...> wrote:

                          > Dom u ozera means the house at the lake (directly) meaning the house
                          > beside the like or at the lake bank. It is nice name for the household.
                          >
                          > On 5/7/2012 17:46, Ladie Lada wrote:
                          > > I would not use Dom ozera because it literally means house in which the lake lives. I don't think that's what you are trying to convey :)
                          > >
                          > > Lada
                          > >
                          > > Sent from my iPhone
                          > >
                          > > On May 7, 2012, at 11:22 AM, "aldo"<turanomar@...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > >> It means
                          > >>
                          > >> HOUSE ALONG THE LAKE BANKS.
                          > >>
                          > >> Aldo
                          > >>
                          > >> From: iegrappling@...
                          > >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:08 PM
                          > >> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                          > >> Subject: [sig] Household name help
                          > >>
                          > >> "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.
                          > >>
                          > >> Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?
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                          > >> -Halbrust
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                        • iegrappling@aol.com
                          Thank you all for the wonderful help!!! To a non-Russian speaker (as most are), Dom ozera has a better sound and look. Is Dom ozera grammatically correct, or
                          Message 12 of 16 , May 15, 2012
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                            Thank you all for the wonderful help!!!
                            To a non-Russian speaker (as most are), Dom ozera has a better sound and look. Is Dom ozera grammatically correct, or does it need to be Dom u ozera?

                            -Halbrust



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                          • Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik
                            Oziorny Dom Dom Ozera is Lake s House. Tue, 15 May 2012 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT) от iegrappling@aol.com:   Thank you all for the wonderful help!!! To a
                            Message 13 of 16 , May 15, 2012
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                              Oziorny Dom
                              "Dom Ozera" is Lake's House.


                              Tue, 15 May 2012 15:48:41 -0400 (EDT) от iegrappling@...:


                               




                              Thank you all for the wonderful help!!!
                              To a non-Russian speaker (as most are), Dom ozera has a better sound and look. Is Dom ozera grammatically correct, or does it need to be Dom u ozera?

                              -Halbrust

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                            • aldo
                              It sounds in Russian more like a person’s family name than a real location. DOM U OZERA is the real expression to be used. Aldo From: iegrappling@aol.com
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                                It sounds in Russian more like a person’s family name than a real location. DOM U OZERA is the real expression to be used.
                                Aldo

                                From: iegrappling@...
                                Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:48 PM
                                To: sig@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [sig] Re: Household name help



                                Thank you all for the wonderful help!!!
                                To a non-Russian speaker (as most are), Dom ozera has a better sound and look. Is Dom ozera grammatically correct, or does it need to be Dom u ozera?

                                -Halbrust

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                              • aldo
                                I would like to add following to this topic. DOM in Russian indicates a real big building and not a cottage or something like that. Therefore should this
                                Message 15 of 16 , May 15, 2012
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                                  I would like to add following to this topic. DOM in Russian indicates a real big building and not a cottage or something like that. Therefore should this latter be the case, then I would call it DOMIK instead of DOM.
                                  Aldo

                                  From: aldo
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:06 AM
                                  To: sig@yahoogroups.com
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                                  It sounds in Russian more like a person’s family name than a real location. DOM U OZERA is the real expression to be used.
                                  Aldo

                                  From: mailto:iegrappling%40aol.com
                                  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:48 PM
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                                  Subject: [sig] Re: Household name help

                                  Thank you all for the wonderful help!!!
                                  To a non-Russian speaker (as most are), Dom ozera has a better sound and look. Is Dom ozera grammatically correct, or does it need to be Dom u ozera?

                                  -Halbrust

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                                  Hello, I teach Ukrainian dance mundanely and, although I don t speak any Russian or Ukrainian, I have some native Russian speakers (recent immigrants) in my
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                                    Hello,
                                    I teach Ukrainian dance mundanely and, although I don't speak any Russian or Ukrainian, I have some native Russian speakers (recent immigrants) in my group, so I spoke to one of my adult dancers on your behalf. I asked how best to say Lake House or House by the Lake, or any other suggestions she had that would make sense in Russian, for a household name or a family grouping name and this was her answer for you:


                                    "Hi, Yes, those are direct translations from English. I personally wouldn't name my household like this though - in Russian it sounds too simplistic or general... I would say something like Ozyory, Ozyorie or Ozyerie. It would mean the same but sounds more poetic and musical :-) . Hope it helps :-) Tatiana"

                                    As with Tatiana's statement, I hope this answer helps you with your naming! :)

                                    Jeanne (SCA - Juliana)


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                                    > "Dom u ozera" or "Dom ozera" mean Lake house, The lake house, House of the lake, and/or House of the lake according to my e-translator.
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                                    > Are either of these of proper construction for a Rus household name within the SCA?
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                                    > -Halbrust
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