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  • Marilyn Kinyon
    HI Everyone, I ve been diving head first into pottery making and want to recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on the
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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      HI Everyone, I've been diving head first into pottery making and want to
      recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on
      the following.

      1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
      2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
      Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
      I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
      referance.
      3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
      info on such a glaze?

      Thanks in Advance, Marija Kotok


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    • Tim Nalley
      Greetings Marija, Mistress Vassilla in Calontir is a pottery Laurel in early pottery, a Russian persona and married to a local russian laurel, Master Mikhial.
      Message 2 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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        Greetings Marija,
        Mistress Vassilla in Calontir is a pottery Laurel in early pottery, a Russian persona and married to a local russian laurel, Master Mikhial. Also, I believe Mistress Tatiana, also of Calontir and also a kievian persona, dabbles in period pottery, though her main emphasis is wood as a medium. Of course, the magnificent Mistress Sofya knows them all quite well, as do I. Please feel free to contact any or all, and use me as a referral, if needs be! They're all great people and very helpful!
        'dok
        On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST Marilyn Kinyon wrote:

        >HI Everyone, I've been diving head first into pottery making and want to
        >recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on
        >the following.
        >
        >1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
        >2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
        >Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
        > I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
        >referance.
        >3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
        >info on such a glaze?
        >
        >Thanks in Advance, Marija Kotok
        >
        >
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        >
      • Lisa Kies
        Mistress Vasilla s website is http://www.badharepottery.com/ I ll see if I have I can find any color photos of green ceramics in my collection when I get a
        Message 3 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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          Mistress Vasilla's website is
          http://www.badharepottery.com/
          I'll see if I have I can find any color photos of green ceramics in my
          collection when I get a chance.

          At your service,

          Sofya
          On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:

          > Greetings Marija,
          > Mistress Vassilla in Calontir is a pottery Laurel in early pottery, a
          > Russian persona and married to a local russian laurel, Master Mikhial.
          > Also, I believe Mistress Tatiana, also of Calontir and also a kievian
          > persona, dabbles in period pottery, though her main emphasis is wood as a
          > medium. Of course, the magnificent Mistress Sofya knows them all quite
          > well, as do I. Please feel free to contact any or all, and use me as a
          > referral, if needs be! They're all great people and very helpful!
          > 'dok
          > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST Marilyn Kinyon wrote:
          >
          > >HI Everyone, I've been diving head first into pottery making and want to
          > >recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on
          > >the following.
          > >
          > >1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
          > >2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
          > >Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
          > > I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
          > >referance.
          > >3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
          > >info on such a glaze?
          > >
          > >Thanks in Advance, Marija Kotok
          > >
          >


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        • panimarijah
          Thanks Mordak
          Message 4 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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            Thanks Mordak

            --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:
            >
            > Greetings Marija,
            > Mistress Vassilla in Calontir is a pottery Laurel in early pottery, a Russian persona and married to a local russian laurel, Master Mikhial. Also, I believe Mistress Tatiana, also of Calontir and also a kievian persona, dabbles in period pottery, though her main emphasis is wood as a medium. Of course, the magnificent Mistress Sofya knows them all quite well, as do I. Please feel free to contact any or all, and use me as a referral, if needs be! They're all great people and very helpful!
            > 'dok
            > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST Marilyn Kinyon wrote:
            >
            > >HI Everyone, I've been diving head first into pottery making and want to
            > >recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on
            > >the following.
            > >
            > >1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
            > >2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
            > >Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
            > > I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
            > >referance.
            > >3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
            > >info on such a glaze?
            > >
            > >Thanks in Advance, Marija Kotok
            > >
            > >
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            > >
            >
          • panimarijah
            And a big thanks to you Mistress Vasilla. Right now I am going on the assumption that it is a form of Terra Siggilta. But I need some pictures showing what the
            Message 5 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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              And a big thanks to you Mistress Vasilla. Right now I am going on the assumption that it is a form of Terra Siggilta. But I need some pictures showing what the color is.. so I know what I am working toward!

              --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
              >
              > Mistress Vasilla's website is
              > http://www.badharepottery.com/
              > I'll see if I have I can find any color photos of green ceramics in my
              > collection when I get a chance.
              >
              > At your service,
              >
              > Sofya
              > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:
              >
              > > Greetings Marija,
              > > Mistress Vassilla in Calontir is a pottery Laurel in early pottery, a
              > > Russian persona and married to a local russian laurel, Master Mikhial.
              > > Also, I believe Mistress Tatiana, also of Calontir and also a kievian
              > > persona, dabbles in period pottery, though her main emphasis is wood as a
              > > medium. Of course, the magnificent Mistress Sofya knows them all quite
              > > well, as do I. Please feel free to contact any or all, and use me as a
              > > referral, if needs be! They're all great people and very helpful!
              > > 'dok
              > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 9:28 AM EST Marilyn Kinyon wrote:
              > >
              > > >HI Everyone, I've been diving head first into pottery making and want to
              > > >recreate some Novgorod type pots. I am wanting to get the groups input on
              > > >the following.
              > > >
              > > >1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
              > > >2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
              > > >Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
              > > > I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
              > > >referance.
              > > >3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
              > > >info on such a glaze?
              > > >
              > > >Thanks in Advance, Marija Kotok
              > > >
              > >
              >
              >
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              >
            • Quokkaqueen
              ... It s not much, but... Orton, C Indicators of craft specialisation in medieval ceramics from north-west Russia. In: Brisbane, M, (ed.) The
              Message 6 of 6 , Dec 12, 2011
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                <<snip>>
                > 1. Is anyone else out there working on this also?
                > 2. Does anyone have any access to pictures of pottery from the Novgorod /
                > Pskov region in period that shows a *green* glaze ?
                > I am looking to create a similar look but need some color pics for
                > referance.
                > 3. Does anyone ( a real long shot here ) , have any chemical composition
                > info on such a glaze?
                <<snip>>

                It's not much, but...
                Orton, C Indicators of craft specialisation in medieval ceramics from north-west Russia. In: Brisbane, M, (ed.) The Archaeology of Medieval Novgorod. Oxbow Books: Oxford.
                http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/3357/
                says:

                "An interesting technical aspect is the use of glaze, whether functional (to seal the surface of a pot) or decorative. Evidence from Pskov (Kildyushevskii 2006, 85) shows that glaze was introduced for decorative purposes in the 16th and 17th centuries, linked to the
                introduction of a range of `table ware' forms. The timing is probably similar at Novgorod, but this period has been little studied there. Novgorod, however, shows an earlier attempt to introduce glazing (on the inner surface, and therefore presumably functional), in the form of a small group of late-13th-century glazed wasters from the
                Duboshin site. Although made of local clays (Gaimster 2006, 141), they are similar in style and technique to Baltic ware, and ultimately to the redwares of the Low Countries (ibid.). While this appears to be a failed experiment (in that production did not continue), it is perhaps the best evidence of that date for craft potters who have the resources to attempt to innovate (even if their innovation was not taken up by the consumer). Failed attempts at ceramic innovation are known from other medieval towns, for example from Canterbury (Cotter 1997) and possibly from Exeter (Allan 1984, 27−30) in England. By way of explanation, Gaimster (2006, 141) links this attempt to the proximity of Duboshin to the German and Gotland quarters, where more advanced `western' pottery (stoneware and glazed redwares) was being used by foreign merchants."

                The two references that may help from that, are:

                Gaimster, D.R. 2006. `Pottery imported from the west: reception and resistance' in Orton, C.R. (ed.) The Pottery from Medieval Novgorod and its Region, 135−143. (UCL Press: London.)

                Kildyushevskii, V.I. 2006. `Pskov pottery in the 12th to 16th centuries' in Orton, C.R. (ed.) The Pottery from Medieval Novgorod and its Region, 79−115 (London: UCL Press.)

                It's only one source, it looks like glazes may have been relatively rare?

                Asfridhr
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