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  • Lisa Kies
    Greetings from Sofya to Meischa Stripes, per se, should not be thought exotic for any period of Rus. It is relatively difficult to dye linen, true, but the
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      Greetings from Sofya to Meischa

      Stripes, per se, should not be thought exotic for any period of Rus. It is
      relatively difficult to dye linen, true, but the Russians have long been
      expert in working with linen and they did dye linen, and weave it in
      patterns, including stripes. That being said, simple white bleached and
      unbleached linen was by far the most common linen fabric - being the
      material of choice for undershirts, dress shirts, and underwear, and also
      used to make bags, wagon covers, sails, etc.

      Whether the particular striped fabric you have is appropriate is hard to say
      without seeing it. The suggestions to compare it to finds from Birka and
      the Middle East are good - they will help train your eye to what would be
      appropriate to the period.

      Not very much linen is found in archeological excavations in Rus because the
      soil conditions are particularly unfriendly to plant fibers. In fact, there
      was a type of fabric that was called "openwork" by early researchers who
      thought it was some sort of fancy open-work weave. The current theory is
      that it was actually woven in a pattern where some of the colors were woolen
      threads and some were linen, and the linen threads rotted away leaving the
      open spaces.

      Here's what I know about fabrics:

      And dyes/colors:

      And here are some notes from "Textiles of Novgorod" although I didn't take
      any notes from the section on striped fabrics - there wasn't much there:
      At your service,


      Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
      Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
      "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
      "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."

      On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, meischadyer <meischadyer@...> wrote:

      > We are trying for fairly early Rus. My husband has a specific time period
      > in mind (9th or 10th century, I think). I have a very nice (large) piece of
      > white linen with basically a navy blue pin strip actually woven into it (not
      > stamped on). I know that in some countries the colored weave thing was done,
      > but I'm concerned that pin-striping is such a 20th century thing that it
      > would stick out sorely. I haven't found a lot of evidence showing that type
      > of stripe.
      > Thanks for the info!
      > Meischa
      > --- In sig@yahoogroups.com, Noora Salminen <harmaa.rakka@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Linen is very hard to dye permanently with plant colours, pretty much the
      > > only thing it takes well is indigo to my best knowledge, so it would
      > appear
      > > logical to have mostly uniformly dyed fabrics of linen, so that you can
      > > re-dye it if needed... But I've seen some really nice small pieces done
      > > using the natural variance of colour in the linen thread to make a weft
      > > striped aprons and such manageable sized stuff.
      > > What period and place do you do, generally?
      > >
      > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:15 PM, meischadyer <meischadyer@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > So, I've played off and on for years, but I'm just getting back into
      > the
      > > > swing of things, and in doing so have become much more serious.
      > Therefore,
      > > > I'm doffing garb of the polyester type and trying to use more period
      > > > fabrics, including linen. My question is, what documentation does
      > anyone
      > > > have on hand on patters in linen, specifically stripes. Was it ever
      > woven
      > > > that way? So far the only place I've seen stripes is in pants on eBay
      > (!)
      > > > but nothing in any source that even seems credible.
      > > > Thanks,
      > > > Meischa
      > > >
      > __._,_
      > .

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