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Re: [sig] Medieval Rus' fealty/homage scrolls

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  • Nikulai Ivanovich
    Thank you! ... -- Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or http://www.atlow.org [Non-text portions of this message
    Message 1 of 12 , Mar 30, 2010
      Thank you!

      On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:

      > I haven't found any period Russian apprenticeship contracts. The closest
      > is
      > the "fealty" certificates of some old appanage princes to the Moscow grand
      > prince.
      >
      > Scroll down to the 1474 pledge/charge records here:
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrollsources.html
      >
      > Sofya
      >
      > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nikulai Ivanovich <nikulai@...
      > >wrote:
      >
      > > Digging through the archives and found the thread below... question does
      > > anyone have any examples of apprenticeship contracts? Going to be taking
      > a
      > > new protege soon and we would like to do a contract.
      > >
      > > Thanks!
      > > - N
      > >
      > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > > Greetings from Sofya!
      > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...>
      > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > You should have heard Safya la Rus's feaalty/homage oath, enough
      > > painful
      > > > > maladies for breaking it to make the hardest core hypochondriac go
      > into
      > > a
      > > > > coma with delight!
      > > > >
      > > > > Best Regards,
      > > > > 'dok
      > > > > "Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Yeah, the mildly uncomfortable chuckles from the audience were great.
      > > And,
      > > > thanks to my husband and his new toy, you can actually follow Mordak's
      > > > advice hear it on YouTube for yourself. ;-)
      > > >
      > > > Anyway, you've hit on a topic near and dear to my heart. My best
      > attempt
      > > > at
      > > > a period Russian-style Calontiri Laurel fealty oath was my oath of
      > fealty
      > > > at
      > > > my elevation:
      > > >
      > > > So I, Sofya la Rus, yesm' beat my brow to the one right Sovereign and
      > > > keeper
      > > > of the Calon land and to Lord Calontir the Great to serve them
      > throughout
      > > > my
      > > > life.
      > > >
      > > > And my good to the Society and its ideals and laws to want of nothing;
      > > and
      > > > wherever from whomever I will hear of good or of evil of my Sovereign,
      > > and
      > > > about our Kingdom of Calontir of good or of evil, it is for me to speak
      > > for
      > > > them truthfully, by this my sealed certificate, without duplicity.
      > > >
      > > > I will according to time teach whoever is capable to whatever skill God
      > > > gives them to thrive, to support the Arts and Sciences of the Calontir
      > > > lands,
      > > >
      > > > And by this my certificate if to think or to consider or to be evil or
      > > > unworthy before the people then will not be on me the favor of God and
      > of
      > > > his ascended Mother, and of all Saints; and my Lord and Sovereign must
      > to
      > > > me
      > > > for my fault in punishment be unrestricted.
      > > >
      > > > And with firmness of action, I, Sofya la Rus, to my Ospadaryu Velikii
      > > Knyaz
      > > > Martino and Velikaya Knyaginya Ariel kiss esmi the honest and
      > life-giving
      > > > cross, and give esmi myself with my certificate after signature and
      > after
      > > > seal of the clerk of all Calontir.
      > > >
      > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html<
      > > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Medieval/laurel.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
      > <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Here's where I got a lot of the wording - there's some nice bits about
      > > > promising not to leave and such:
      > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<
      > > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
      > <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I also prepared a Russian translation of a 10th century Anglo-Saxon
      > > fealty
      > > > oath for someone's Squiring.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > By the CROWN before whom these lands are held. I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
      > do
      > > > give my OATH OF FEALTY, to you SYR .
      > > >
      > > > ������� � ������� ��� ����� ��������,
      > > >
      > > > By the CROWN by whom these lands are held,
      > > >
      > > > �� �� ��������� �������� �����,
      > > >
      > > > So I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
      > > >
      > > > ��� ��� ������� �������� � ��� �������* *���������.
      > > >
      > > > do give my OATH OF FEALTY to you, SYR EVANDER
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I will be true and faithful and love all which you love and shun all
      > > which
      > > > you may shun, according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these
      > > > lands.
      > > >
      > > > � ���� �������� � ������
      > > >
      > > > I will be true and faithful
      > > >
      > > > � ���� ������ ��� ������� �� ������
      > > >
      > > > And will love all that you love
      > > >
      > > > � ���� ����������� ����� �������� �� �����������,
      > > >
      > > > and will shun/avoid all that you shun/avoid,
      > > >
      > > > [� ���� ���������� ��� ������� �� ����������,]
      > > >
      > > > [Alternately: and will hate all that you hate,]
      > > >
      > > > �������� ������� ������ � ������ ���� ������.
      > > >
      > > > according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these lands.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Nor will I ever with will or action through word or deed do anything
      > > which
      > > > is unpleasing to you on condition that you will hold to me as I shall
      > > > deserve it.
      > > >
      > > > [Alternate version: and never, willingly or intentionally, by word or
      > by
      > > > work, do aught of what is loathful to him; on condition that he will
      > keep
      > > > me
      > > > as I am willing to deserve...]
      > > >
      > > > � � �������, ������ ��� ���������
      > > >
      > > > Nor will I ever, willingly or intentionally
      > > >
      > > > ������ ��� �����
      > > >
      > > > by word or deed
      > > >
      > > > �� ������ ������ ����������� ��� ����
      > > >
      > > > do anything which is unpleasing to you
      > > >
      > > > ��� ������� ��� �� ������ ������� ���� �� ��������.
      > > >
      > > > on condition that you will hold me as I shall deserve.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > I pledge to seek and accept your COUNSEL when given and if I may offer
      > my
      > > > COUNSEL in turn.
      > > >
      > > > � ���������� ������ � ��������� ���� ����� ����� ���
      > > >
      > > > I pledge to seek and heed/listen to your COUNSEL when given
      > > >
      > > > � � ��� �� ���������� ��� ����� �� �������.
      > > >
      > > > and, if I may, offer my COUNSEL in turn.
      > > >
      > > > ��������� means to accept/receive/. A soldier who receives an order
      > says
      > > "
      > > > ������" as in "Very well" or "I understand" i.e. the Russian equivalent
      > > of
      > > > "Roger, Willco".
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > My SWORD is yours to command and will always be at your side till I
      > die.
      > > >
      > > > ��� ��� ���� ����� ���������
      > > >
      > > > My SWORD is yours to direct
      > > >
      > > > � ������ ���� ������ ����� � ����� �� ������.
      > > >
      > > > and always I will stand with you till death.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > This I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you.
      > > >
      > > > ��� � ����� ��� ������� �������� � ���.
      > > >
      > > > Thus I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you
      > > >
      > > > Corrections to the Russian translation welcome, as I am not a native
      > > > speaker.
      > > >
      > > > At your service,
      > > >
      > > > Sofya
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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      > > > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa
      > Kramolnikova
      > > > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
      > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser <
      > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser><
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser>
      > > >
      > > > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
      > > > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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      > > --
      > > Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
      > > Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
      > > http://www.atlow.org
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      >
      > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
      > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
      > ___
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
      > {o,o}
      > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
      > (__(|
      > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
      > -^-^-`
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      --
      Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
      Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
      http://www.atlow.org


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