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  • Nikulai Ivanovich
    Digging through the archives and found the thread below... question does anyone have any examples of apprenticeship contracts? Going to be taking a new protege
    Message 1 of 12 , Mar 17, 2010
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      Digging through the archives and found the thread below... question does
      anyone have any examples of apprenticeship contracts? Going to be taking a
      new protege soon and we would like to do a contract.

      Thanks!
      - N

      On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:

      > Greetings from Sofya!
      > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:
      >
      > > You should have heard Safya la Rus's feaalty/homage oath, enough painful
      > > maladies for breaking it to make the hardest core hypochondriac go into a
      > > coma with delight!
      > >
      > > Best Regards,
      > > 'dok
      > > "Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      > Yeah, the mildly uncomfortable chuckles from the audience were great. And,
      > thanks to my husband and his new toy, you can actually follow Mordak's
      > advice hear it on YouTube for yourself. ;-)
      >
      > Anyway, you've hit on a topic near and dear to my heart. My best attempt
      > at
      > a period Russian-style Calontiri Laurel fealty oath was my oath of fealty
      > at
      > my elevation:
      >
      > So I, Sofya la Rus, yesm' beat my brow to the one right Sovereign and
      > keeper
      > of the Calon land and to Lord Calontir the Great to serve them throughout
      > my
      > life.
      >
      > And my good to the Society and its ideals and laws to want of nothing; and
      > wherever from whomever I will hear of good or of evil of my Sovereign, and
      > about our Kingdom of Calontir of good or of evil, it is for me to speak for
      > them truthfully, by this my sealed certificate, without duplicity.
      >
      > I will according to time teach whoever is capable to whatever skill God
      > gives them to thrive, to support the Arts and Sciences of the Calontir
      > lands,
      >
      > And by this my certificate if to think or to consider or to be evil or
      > unworthy before the people then will not be on me the favor of God and of
      > his ascended Mother, and of all Saints; and my Lord and Sovereign must to
      > me
      > for my fault in punishment be unrestricted.
      >
      > And with firmness of action, I, Sofya la Rus, to my Ospadaryu Velikii Knyaz
      > Martino and Velikaya Knyaginya Ariel kiss esmi the honest and life-giving
      > cross, and give esmi myself with my certificate after signature and after
      > seal of the clerk of all Calontir.
      >
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html<http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
      >
      > Here's where I got a lot of the wording - there's some nice bits about
      > promising not to leave and such:
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
      >
      > I also prepared a Russian translation of a 10th century Anglo-Saxon fealty
      > oath for someone's Squiring.
      >
      >
      > By the CROWN before whom these lands are held. I Lord Kallimakh Kasek do
      > give my OATH OF FEALTY, to you SYR .
      >
      > ������� � ������� ��� ����� ��������,
      >
      > By the CROWN by whom these lands are held,
      >
      > �� �� ��������� �������� �����,
      >
      > So I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
      >
      > ��� ��� ������� �������� � ��� �������* *���������.
      >
      > do give my OATH OF FEALTY to you, SYR EVANDER
      >
      >
      >
      > I will be true and faithful and love all which you love and shun all which
      > you may shun, according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these
      > lands.
      >
      > � ���� �������� � ������
      >
      > I will be true and faithful
      >
      > � ���� ������ ��� ������� �� ������
      >
      > And will love all that you love
      >
      > � ���� ����������� ����� �������� �� �����������,
      >
      > and will shun/avoid all that you shun/avoid,
      >
      > [� ���� ���������� ��� ������� �� ����������,]
      >
      > [Alternately: and will hate all that you hate,]
      >
      > �������� ������� ������ � ������ ���� ������.
      >
      > according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these lands.
      >
      >
      >
      > Nor will I ever with will or action through word or deed do anything which
      > is unpleasing to you on condition that you will hold to me as I shall
      > deserve it.
      >
      > [Alternate version: and never, willingly or intentionally, by word or by
      > work, do aught of what is loathful to him; on condition that he will keep
      > me
      > as I am willing to deserve...]
      >
      > � � �������, ������ ��� ���������
      >
      > Nor will I ever, willingly or intentionally
      >
      > ������ ��� �����
      >
      > by word or deed
      >
      > �� ������ ������ ����������� ��� ����
      >
      > do anything which is unpleasing to you
      >
      > ��� ������� ��� �� ������ ������� ���� �� ��������.
      >
      > on condition that you will hold me as I shall deserve.
      >
      >
      >
      > I pledge to seek and accept your COUNSEL when given and if I may offer my
      > COUNSEL in turn.
      >
      > � ���������� ������ � ��������� ���� ����� ����� ���
      >
      > I pledge to seek and heed/listen to your COUNSEL when given
      >
      > � � ��� �� ���������� ��� ����� �� �������.
      >
      > and, if I may, offer my COUNSEL in turn.
      >
      > ��������� means to accept/receive/. A soldier who receives an order says "
      > ������" as in "Very well" or "I understand" i.e. the Russian equivalent of
      > "Roger, Willco".
      >
      >
      >
      > My SWORD is yours to command and will always be at your side till I die.
      >
      > ��� ��� ���� ����� ���������
      >
      > My SWORD is yours to direct
      >
      > � ������ ���� ������ ����� � ����� �� ������.
      >
      > and always I will stand with you till death.
      >
      >
      >
      > This I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you.
      >
      > ��� � ����� ��� ������� �������� � ���.
      >
      > Thus I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you
      >
      > Corrections to the Russian translation welcome, as I am not a native
      > speaker.
      >
      > At your service,
      >
      > Sofya
      >
      >
      > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
      > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
      > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser <http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser>
      > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
      > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
      >
      > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
      >


      --
      Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
      Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
      http://www.atlow.org


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • Lisa Kies
      I haven t found any period Russian apprenticeship contracts. The closest is the fealty certificates of some old appanage princes to the Moscow grand prince.
      Message 2 of 12 , Mar 24, 2010
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        I haven't found any period Russian apprenticeship contracts. The closest is
        the "fealty" certificates of some old appanage princes to the Moscow grand
        prince.

        Scroll down to the 1474 pledge/charge records here:
        http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrollsources.html

        Sofya

        On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nikulai Ivanovich <nikulai@...>wrote:

        > Digging through the archives and found the thread below... question does
        > anyone have any examples of apprenticeship contracts? Going to be taking a
        > new protege soon and we would like to do a contract.
        >
        > Thanks!
        > - N
        >
        > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Greetings from Sofya!
        > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > > You should have heard Safya la Rus's feaalty/homage oath, enough
        > painful
        > > > maladies for breaking it to make the hardest core hypochondriac go into
        > a
        > > > coma with delight!
        > > >
        > > > Best Regards,
        > > > 'dok
        > > > "Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Yeah, the mildly uncomfortable chuckles from the audience were great.
        > And,
        > > thanks to my husband and his new toy, you can actually follow Mordak's
        > > advice hear it on YouTube for yourself. ;-)
        > >
        > > Anyway, you've hit on a topic near and dear to my heart. My best attempt
        > > at
        > > a period Russian-style Calontiri Laurel fealty oath was my oath of fealty
        > > at
        > > my elevation:
        > >
        > > So I, Sofya la Rus, yesm' beat my brow to the one right Sovereign and
        > > keeper
        > > of the Calon land and to Lord Calontir the Great to serve them throughout
        > > my
        > > life.
        > >
        > > And my good to the Society and its ideals and laws to want of nothing;
        > and
        > > wherever from whomever I will hear of good or of evil of my Sovereign,
        > and
        > > about our Kingdom of Calontir of good or of evil, it is for me to speak
        > for
        > > them truthfully, by this my sealed certificate, without duplicity.
        > >
        > > I will according to time teach whoever is capable to whatever skill God
        > > gives them to thrive, to support the Arts and Sciences of the Calontir
        > > lands,
        > >
        > > And by this my certificate if to think or to consider or to be evil or
        > > unworthy before the people then will not be on me the favor of God and of
        > > his ascended Mother, and of all Saints; and my Lord and Sovereign must to
        > > me
        > > for my fault in punishment be unrestricted.
        > >
        > > And with firmness of action, I, Sofya la Rus, to my Ospadaryu Velikii
        > Knyaz
        > > Martino and Velikaya Knyaginya Ariel kiss esmi the honest and life-giving
        > > cross, and give esmi myself with my certificate after signature and after
        > > seal of the clerk of all Calontir.
        > >
        > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html<
        > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Medieval/laurel.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
        > >
        > >
        > > Here's where I got a lot of the wording - there's some nice bits about
        > > promising not to leave and such:
        > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<
        > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
        > >
        > >
        > > I also prepared a Russian translation of a 10th century Anglo-Saxon
        > fealty
        > > oath for someone's Squiring.
        > >
        > >
        > > By the CROWN before whom these lands are held. I Lord Kallimakh Kasek do
        > > give my OATH OF FEALTY, to you SYR .
        > >
        > > ������� � ������� ��� ����� ��������,
        > >
        > > By the CROWN by whom these lands are held,
        > >
        > > �� �� ��������� �������� �����,
        > >
        > > So I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
        > >
        > > ��� ��� ������� �������� � ��� �������* *���������.
        > >
        > > do give my OATH OF FEALTY to you, SYR EVANDER
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > I will be true and faithful and love all which you love and shun all
        > which
        > > you may shun, according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these
        > > lands.
        > >
        > > � ���� �������� � ������
        > >
        > > I will be true and faithful
        > >
        > > � ���� ������ ��� ������� �� ������
        > >
        > > And will love all that you love
        > >
        > > � ���� ����������� ����� �������� �� �����������,
        > >
        > > and will shun/avoid all that you shun/avoid,
        > >
        > > [� ���� ���������� ��� ������� �� ����������,]
        > >
        > > [Alternately: and will hate all that you hate,]
        > >
        > > �������� ������� ������ � ������ ���� ������.
        > >
        > > according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these lands.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Nor will I ever with will or action through word or deed do anything
        > which
        > > is unpleasing to you on condition that you will hold to me as I shall
        > > deserve it.
        > >
        > > [Alternate version: and never, willingly or intentionally, by word or by
        > > work, do aught of what is loathful to him; on condition that he will keep
        > > me
        > > as I am willing to deserve...]
        > >
        > > � � �������, ������ ��� ���������
        > >
        > > Nor will I ever, willingly or intentionally
        > >
        > > ������ ��� �����
        > >
        > > by word or deed
        > >
        > > �� ������ ������ ����������� ��� ����
        > >
        > > do anything which is unpleasing to you
        > >
        > > ��� ������� ��� �� ������ ������� ���� �� ��������.
        > >
        > > on condition that you will hold me as I shall deserve.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > I pledge to seek and accept your COUNSEL when given and if I may offer my
        > > COUNSEL in turn.
        > >
        > > � ���������� ������ � ��������� ���� ����� ����� ���
        > >
        > > I pledge to seek and heed/listen to your COUNSEL when given
        > >
        > > � � ��� �� ���������� ��� ����� �� �������.
        > >
        > > and, if I may, offer my COUNSEL in turn.
        > >
        > > ��������� means to accept/receive/. A soldier who receives an order says
        > "
        > > ������" as in "Very well" or "I understand" i.e. the Russian equivalent
        > of
        > > "Roger, Willco".
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > My SWORD is yours to command and will always be at your side till I die.
        > >
        > > ��� ��� ���� ����� ���������
        > >
        > > My SWORD is yours to direct
        > >
        > > � ������ ���� ������ ����� � ����� �� ������.
        > >
        > > and always I will stand with you till death.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > This I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you.
        > >
        > > ��� � ����� ��� ������� �������� � ���.
        > >
        > > Thus I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you
        > >
        > > Corrections to the Russian translation welcome, as I am not a native
        > > speaker.
        > >
        > > At your service,
        > >
        > > Sofya
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        > > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
        > > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
        > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser <http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser>
        > >
        > > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
        > > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
        > >
        > >
        > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        > >
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > --
        > Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
        > Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
        > http://www.atlow.org
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >


        --
        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
        Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
        ___
        http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
        {o,o}
        "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
        (__(|
        "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
        -^-^-`
        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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      • Nikulai Ivanovich
        Thank you! ... -- Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or http://www.atlow.org [Non-text portions of this message
        Message 3 of 12 , Mar 30, 2010
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          Thank you!

          On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:

          > I haven't found any period Russian apprenticeship contracts. The closest
          > is
          > the "fealty" certificates of some old appanage princes to the Moscow grand
          > prince.
          >
          > Scroll down to the 1474 pledge/charge records here:
          > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrollsources.html
          >
          > Sofya
          >
          > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Nikulai Ivanovich <nikulai@...
          > >wrote:
          >
          > > Digging through the archives and found the thread below... question does
          > > anyone have any examples of apprenticeship contracts? Going to be taking
          > a
          > > new protege soon and we would like to do a contract.
          > >
          > > Thanks!
          > > - N
          > >
          > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Lisa Kies <lkies319@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > > Greetings from Sofya!
          > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tim Nalley <mordakus@...>
          > wrote:
          > > >
          > > > > You should have heard Safya la Rus's feaalty/homage oath, enough
          > > painful
          > > > > maladies for breaking it to make the hardest core hypochondriac go
          > into
          > > a
          > > > > coma with delight!
          > > > >
          > > > > Best Regards,
          > > > > 'dok
          > > > > "Dreams are only the realities of yesterday waiting to happen"
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Yeah, the mildly uncomfortable chuckles from the audience were great.
          > > And,
          > > > thanks to my husband and his new toy, you can actually follow Mordak's
          > > > advice hear it on YouTube for yourself. ;-)
          > > >
          > > > Anyway, you've hit on a topic near and dear to my heart. My best
          > attempt
          > > > at
          > > > a period Russian-style Calontiri Laurel fealty oath was my oath of
          > fealty
          > > > at
          > > > my elevation:
          > > >
          > > > So I, Sofya la Rus, yesm' beat my brow to the one right Sovereign and
          > > > keeper
          > > > of the Calon land and to Lord Calontir the Great to serve them
          > throughout
          > > > my
          > > > life.
          > > >
          > > > And my good to the Society and its ideals and laws to want of nothing;
          > > and
          > > > wherever from whomever I will hear of good or of evil of my Sovereign,
          > > and
          > > > about our Kingdom of Calontir of good or of evil, it is for me to speak
          > > for
          > > > them truthfully, by this my sealed certificate, without duplicity.
          > > >
          > > > I will according to time teach whoever is capable to whatever skill God
          > > > gives them to thrive, to support the Arts and Sciences of the Calontir
          > > > lands,
          > > >
          > > > And by this my certificate if to think or to consider or to be evil or
          > > > unworthy before the people then will not be on me the favor of God and
          > of
          > > > his ascended Mother, and of all Saints; and my Lord and Sovereign must
          > to
          > > > me
          > > > for my fault in punishment be unrestricted.
          > > >
          > > > And with firmness of action, I, Sofya la Rus, to my Ospadaryu Velikii
          > > Knyaz
          > > > Martino and Velikaya Knyaginya Ariel kiss esmi the honest and
          > life-giving
          > > > cross, and give esmi myself with my certificate after signature and
          > after
          > > > seal of the clerk of all Calontir.
          > > >
          > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html<
          > > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Medieval/laurel.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
          > <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Medieval/laurel.html>
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Here's where I got a lot of the wording - there's some nice bits about
          > > > promising not to leave and such:
          > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<
          > > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html<http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
          > <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/scrolloaths.html>
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I also prepared a Russian translation of a 10th century Anglo-Saxon
          > > fealty
          > > > oath for someone's Squiring.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > By the CROWN before whom these lands are held. I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
          > do
          > > > give my OATH OF FEALTY, to you SYR .
          > > >
          > > > ������� � ������� ��� ����� ��������,
          > > >
          > > > By the CROWN by whom these lands are held,
          > > >
          > > > �� �� ��������� �������� �����,
          > > >
          > > > So I Lord Kallimakh Kasek
          > > >
          > > > ��� ��� ������� �������� � ��� �������* *���������.
          > > >
          > > > do give my OATH OF FEALTY to you, SYR EVANDER
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I will be true and faithful and love all which you love and shun all
          > > which
          > > > you may shun, according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these
          > > > lands.
          > > >
          > > > � ���� �������� � ������
          > > >
          > > > I will be true and faithful
          > > >
          > > > � ���� ������ ��� ������� �� ������
          > > >
          > > > And will love all that you love
          > > >
          > > > � ���� ����������� ����� �������� �� �����������,
          > > >
          > > > and will shun/avoid all that you shun/avoid,
          > > >
          > > > [� ���� ���������� ��� ������� �� ����������,]
          > > >
          > > > [Alternately: and will hate all that you hate,]
          > > >
          > > > �������� ������� ������ � ������ ���� ������.
          > > >
          > > > according to the laws of the Crown and the order of these lands.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Nor will I ever with will or action through word or deed do anything
          > > which
          > > > is unpleasing to you on condition that you will hold to me as I shall
          > > > deserve it.
          > > >
          > > > [Alternate version: and never, willingly or intentionally, by word or
          > by
          > > > work, do aught of what is loathful to him; on condition that he will
          > keep
          > > > me
          > > > as I am willing to deserve...]
          > > >
          > > > � � �������, ������ ��� ���������
          > > >
          > > > Nor will I ever, willingly or intentionally
          > > >
          > > > ������ ��� �����
          > > >
          > > > by word or deed
          > > >
          > > > �� ������ ������ ����������� ��� ����
          > > >
          > > > do anything which is unpleasing to you
          > > >
          > > > ��� ������� ��� �� ������ ������� ���� �� ��������.
          > > >
          > > > on condition that you will hold me as I shall deserve.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I pledge to seek and accept your COUNSEL when given and if I may offer
          > my
          > > > COUNSEL in turn.
          > > >
          > > > � ���������� ������ � ��������� ���� ����� ����� ���
          > > >
          > > > I pledge to seek and heed/listen to your COUNSEL when given
          > > >
          > > > � � ��� �� ���������� ��� ����� �� �������.
          > > >
          > > > and, if I may, offer my COUNSEL in turn.
          > > >
          > > > ��������� means to accept/receive/. A soldier who receives an order
          > says
          > > "
          > > > ������" as in "Very well" or "I understand" i.e. the Russian equivalent
          > > of
          > > > "Roger, Willco".
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > My SWORD is yours to command and will always be at your side till I
          > die.
          > > >
          > > > ��� ��� ���� ����� ���������
          > > >
          > > > My SWORD is yours to direct
          > > >
          > > > � ������ ���� ������ ����� � ����� �� ������.
          > > >
          > > > and always I will stand with you till death.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > This I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you.
          > > >
          > > > ��� � ����� ��� ������� �������� � ���.
          > > >
          > > > Thus I swear my OATH OF FEALTY to you
          > > >
          > > > Corrections to the Russian translation welcome, as I am not a native
          > > > speaker.
          > > >
          > > > At your service,
          > > >
          > > > Sofya
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
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          > > > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa
          > Kramolnikova
          > > > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
          > > > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser <
          > http://www.strangelove.net/%7Ekieser <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser><
          > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser>
          > > >
          > > > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
          > > > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
          > > >
          > > >
          > >
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          > > --
          > > Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
          > > Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
          > > http://www.atlow.org
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          >
          > Lisa M. Kies, MD aka Sofya la Rus, OL, CW, CSH, druzhinnitsa Kramolnikova
          > Mason City, IA aka Shire of Heraldshill, Calontir
          > ___
          > http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser
          > {o,o}
          > "Si no necare, sana." "Mir znachit Pax Romanov"
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          > "Nasytivshimsya knizhnoj sladosti."
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          Master Nikulai Ivanovich, OP
          Or, on a bend cotised sable three fox masks palewise or
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