Re: [sig] PLEASE clip those posts!
- I am an avid member of over 20 lists... every once in a while there is a
cry to trim posts... it never solves anything and it always continues... it
is just a fact of life.
I personally trim my posts, but it is a necessary evil of being on mailing
Gmail does help a lot! I highly recommend it to anyone on mailing lists as
it makes it FAR easier to follow a conversation and kills all the extra
stuff for you.
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- On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Jenn Ridley <jridley@...> wrote:
>>> You might be interested in using Gmail for your email. Gmail stacks allthe solution that Vitasha is talking about is built into the gmail.
>>> the messages from one thread on top of each other. Once you have read it,
>>> it shrinks it to just the header, and when a new email in that thread comes
>>> in, it puts it on top in its full format so you know that you have not yet
>>> read that message. I love it!
> -- Vitasha
> that's not the problem. Proper message threading is a solved problem.
> The problem is when the *new* message comes in with the full contents
> of every other message in the thread still inside it. For example,
> when I replied to this message, I trimmed the 20 or so lines of Yahoo!
> cruft off the bottom of it. (OH yeah, and put in the context --
> trimming the cruft off the bottom does no good if you don't leave in
> the context.)
It's not threading. Gmail auto-collapses the quoted text so it is not
seen by the reader. Personally, I like to have the previous messages
in the messasge as it allows me to easily see the trail that lead to
the state of things. In fact, in my opinion, "top posting" is even
more useful when you have such automatic formatting and makes inline
responses a more annoying method of response.
- I completely endorse the plea for trimming posts. But is there a group preference for top-posting or not?
Years ago, on another list, I was told in no uncertain terms that the one correct way to reply was to trim the first message down to the relevant few sentences and then top-post your answer. I still do this... but has internet etiquette evolved without me? [Entirely possible, I admit!] Or is it just that the display modes of various e-mail services are somewhat incompatible?
Enquiring minds want to know!
--- In email@example.com, Anthony Bryant <anthony_bryant@...> wrote:
> People, for God's sake.
> If you're going to top post (which is bad enough) PLEASE for the love
> of GOD clip the bloody post below.
> I've been scrolling through line after line after line after line of
> quoted and re-quoted (and sometimes RE-re-quoted) text to get to the
> next piece of new material.
- Sigh. My two cents.
In fact there are several "correct" ways to reply to messages. Top
posting is only one such way. For some inflexible people it's like a
religion. I suspect you ran into one of those years ago. Inline
replies and even bottom posting are like a religion to other
inflexible people. None of these is the "correct" way to reply.
You can use top posting when you are adding to a conversation. You
can use inline replies when you are discussing points that are already
made. If you put inline lines directly under the point a previous
author made, it makes it possible to follow the discussion,
especially if the discussion becomes complex, and prevents you from
having to make repetative references in the text of your reply when
you're answering each specific point that you respond to. Neither
form should be required. Just make your answer clear, and the
point(s) you're replying to clear, to avoid confusion.
It is always good etiquette to trim un-necessary text from your reply,
but inline replies are perfectly fine for most normal people, and they
don't care if you top post instead. Good etiquette again would be to
cut un-necessary text from your reply. You can leave the reference
to who you are answering, and any sentient text to which you are
replying, in order to avoid other people from having to search for
prior messages in order to figure out what you're talking about.
That's good netetiquette. Anything else would just invite me, and
others, to think your shorts are a few sizes too small.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Suzanne <sovagris@...> wrote:
> I completely endorse the plea for trimming posts. But is there a group preference for top-posting or
> Years ago, on another list, I was told in no uncertain terms that the one correct way to reply was to trim the first message down to the relevant few sentences and then top-post your answer. I still do this... but has internet etiquette evolved without me? [Entirely possible, I admit!] Or is it just that the display modes of various e-mail services are somewhat incompatible?