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  • Yevgeniya Pechenaya
    Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and it is part of a 20 volume archeological work.
    Message 1 of 22 , Aug 13, 2008
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      Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and it is part of a 20 volume archeological work.

      http://catnyp.nypl.org/search?/tArkheologi%7B235%7Di%7B236%7Da+%28Izdanie+v+20+tomakh%29/tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh&1%2C%2C4

      I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's 367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

      Lada

      Oooooh...
      SHINY!

      --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...> wrote:
      From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>
      Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
      To: sig@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 7:20 PM

      On the Russian Version of the site under "reconstruction" or
      "�������������" there is pretty much entire book with
      ilustrations to dress, decoration and multiple other things.

      Lada

      Oooooh...
      SHINY!

      --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
      From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
      Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
      To: sig@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:47 PM











      Pop over to the Russian version of the page, then

      Babelfish it. There's actually MORE on the Russian

      versions of the pages than the English.



      On the Reconstruction page in Russian, this Lithuanian

      book is the last of the 8 books listed. (the first

      one is Drevnaia Rus: Byt I Kultura!) On the English

      version of the page, only 5 books are listed.



      --Sfandra



      --- Patoodle@aol. com wrote:



      > That book cover makes me DROOL!!! Me want book!!!

      >

      > Call me clueless, or perhaps sleepy after my lunch,

      > but I can't find the scanned book on KAUP's Web

      > site. Is there a table of contents or something?

      >

      > Thanks! (Aciu!)

      >

      > In service,

      > Patricia of Trakai

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      > -----Original Message-----

      > From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>

      > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

      > Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 2:02 pm

      > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

      >

      >

      >

      > OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ

      > (http://pearl. livejournal. com/), but thanks to that,

      > I

      > have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a

      > 1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas

      > reenactment group.

      >

      > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/en/index. htm

      >

      > Through the English site, and the assistance of

      > Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,

      > I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting

      > WILDLY INSPIRED.

      >

      > The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as

      > well

      > as several other articles and books, with LOTS and

      > LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too

      >

      much...http: //club-kaup. narod.ru/ rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
      table97.jpg

      > (ok, maybe incense burners...)

      >

      > There's also a lot of photos from museums.

      >

      > Have fun. Lord knows, I am!!!

      > --Sfandra

      >

      > --- Patricia Hefner

      > <hefnerpatriciahefne rpatricia@ yahoo.com> wrote:

      >

      > > Yeah, it looks interesting.

      > > THL Isabelle de Foix

      >

      > > ----- Original Message ----

      > > From: Jennifer Nelson Kemp <lady.ianuk@gmail. com>

      > > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

      > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:53:08 AM

      > > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

      > >

      > >

      > > Wow...looks interestings. ..

      > >

      > > Ianuk

      > >

      > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Paul W

      > Goldschmidt

      > > <goldschp@tds. net>wrote:

      > >

      > > > It is Lithuanian, but I cannot translate it.

      > > >

      > > > -- Paul

      > > >

      > > > At 11:44 AM 8/13/2008, you wrote:

      > > >

      > > > ><

      > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

      > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

      > > _orig.jpg

      > > > >

      > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

      > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

      > > _orig.jpg

      > > >

      > > > >

      > > > >Can anyone tell me the language and the

      > > translation of

      > > > >this book cover?

      > > > >

      > > > >--Sfandra

      >

      >

      > ************ ******

      > Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

      > KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

      > Haus Von Drakenklaue

      > Kingdom of the East

      > ************ ******

      > Never 'pearl' your butt.

      >

      >

      >

      >

      > ------------ --------- --------- ------

      >

      > Yahoo! Groups Links

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      > [Non-text portions of this message have been

      > removed]

      >

      >

      > ------------ --------- --------- ------

      >

      > Yahoo! Groups Links

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >



      ************ ******

      Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

      KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

      Haus Von Drakenklaue

      Kingdom of the East

      ************ ******

      Never 'pearl' your butt.





























      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


      ------------------------------------

      Yahoo! Groups Links








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    • L.M. Kies
      For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated into English on my website. http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html I
      Message 2 of 22 , Aug 13, 2008
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        For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated into English on my website.
        http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html

        I hadn't managed to get copies of the other chapters to translate before. Thanks for finding KAUP! They're missing a few chapters right now, but what they've got is more than enough to expand my list of translation projects most distressingly. :-)

        Sofya

        >------- Original Message -------
        >
        >Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and it is part of a 20 volume archeological work.

        http://catnyp.nypl.org/search?/tArkheologi%7B235%7Di%7B236%7Da+%28Izdanie+v+20+tomakh%29/tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh&1%2C%2C4

        I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's 367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

        Lada

        Oooooh...
        SHINY!

        --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...> wrote:
        From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@...>
        Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
        To: sig@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 7:20 PM

        On the Russian Version of the site under "reconstruction" or
        "àÕÚÞÝáâàãÚæØï" there is pretty much entire book with
        ilustrations to dress, decoration and multiple other things.

        Lada

        Oooooh...
        SHINY!

        --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
        From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
        Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
        To: sig@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:47 PM











        Pop over to the Russian version of the page, then

        Babelfish it. There's actually MORE on the Russian

        versions of the pages than the English.



        On the Reconstruction page in Russian, this Lithuanian

        book is the last of the 8 books listed. (the first

        one is Drevnaia Rus: Byt I Kultura!) On the English

        version of the page, only 5 books are listed.



        --Sfandra



        --- Patoodle@aol. com wrote:



        > That book cover makes me DROOL!!! Me want book!!!

        >

        > Call me clueless, or perhaps sleepy after my lunch,

        > but I can't find the scanned book on KAUP's Web

        > site. Is there a table of contents or something?

        >

        > Thanks! (Aciu!)

        >

        > In service,

        > Patricia of Trakai

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        > -----Original Message-----

        > From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>

        > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

        > Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 2:02 pm

        > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

        >

        >

        >

        > OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ

        > ( http://pearl. livejournal. com/), but thanks to that,

        > I

        > have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a

        > 1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas

        > reenactment group.

        >

        > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/en/index. htm

        >

        > Through the English site, and the assistance of

        > Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,

        > I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting

        > WILDLY INSPIRED.

        >

        > The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as

        > well

        > as several other articles and books, with LOTS and

        > LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too

        >

        much...http: //club-kaup. narod.ru/ rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_ drrus_bk_
        table97.jpg

        > (ok, maybe incense burners...)

        >

        > There's also a lot of photos from museums.

        >

        > Have fun. Lord knows, I am!!!

        > --Sfandra

        >

        > --- Patricia Hefner

        > <hefnerpatriciahefne rpatricia@ yahoo.com> wrote:

        >

        > > Yeah, it looks interesting.

        > > THL Isabelle de Foix

        >

        > > ----- Original Message ----

        > > From: Jennifer Nelson Kemp <lady.ianuk@gmail. com>

        > > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

        > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:53:08 AM

        > > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

        > >

        > >

        > > Wow...looks interestings. ..

        > >

        > > Ianuk

        > >

        > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Paul W

        > Goldschmidt

        > > <goldschp@tds. net>wrote:

        > >

        > > > It is Lithuanian, but I cannot translate it.

        > > >

        > > > -- Paul

        > > >

        > > > At 11:44 AM 8/13/2008, you wrote:

        > > >

        > > > ><

        > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

        > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

        > > _orig.jpg

        > > > >

        > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

        > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

        > > _orig.jpg

        > > >

        > > > >

        > > > >Can anyone tell me the language and the

        > > translation of

        > > > >this book cover?

        > > > >

        > > > >--Sfandra

        >

        >

        > ************ ******

        > Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

        > KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

        > Haus Von Drakenklaue

        > Kingdom of the East

        > ************ ******

        > Never 'pearl' your butt.

        >

        >

        >

        >

        > ------------ --------- --------- ------

        >

        > Yahoo! Groups Links

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >

        > [Non-text portions of this message have been

        > removed]

        >

        >

        > ------------ --------- --------- ------

        >

        > Yahoo! Groups Links

        >

        >

        >

        >

        >



        ************ ******

        Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

        KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

        Haus Von Drakenklaue

        Kingdom of the East

        ************ ******

        Never 'pearl' your butt.





























        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


        ------------------------------------

        Yahoo! Groups Links








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      • Greg Hacke
        If you would like some assistance in translating, I would love to help. It would allow me to bone back up on my russian in a manner I would actually enjoy ;-)
        Message 3 of 22 , Aug 13, 2008
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          If you would like some assistance in translating, I would love to help. It
          would allow me to bone back up on my russian in a manner I would actually
          enjoy ;-)

          You can contact me off list at greghacke at gmail dot com

          _____

          From: sig@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sig@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of L.M.
          Kies
          Sent: Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:02
          To: sig@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [SPAM] RE: Re: [sig] Translation help



          For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated
          into English on my website.
          http://www.strangel <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html>
          ove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html

          I hadn't managed to get copies of the other chapters to translate before.
          Thanks for finding KAUP! They're missing a few chapters right now, but what
          they've got is more than enough to expand my list of translation projects
          most distressingly. :-)

          Sofya

          >------- Original Message -------
          >
          >Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and
          it is part of a 20 volume archeological work.

          http://catnyp.
          <http://catnyp.nypl.org/search?/tArkheologi%7B235%7Di%7B236%7Da+%28Izdanie+v
          +20+tomakh%29/tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&F
          F=tarkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh&1%2C%2C4>
          nypl.org/search?/tArkheologi%7B235%7Di%7B236%7Da+%28Izdanie+v+20+tomakh%29/t
          arkheologiia+izdanie+v+++20+tomakh/-3%2C-1%2C0%2CB/frameset&FF=tarkheologiia
          +izdanie+v+++20+tomakh&1%2C%2C4

          I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's
          367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not
          willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the
          internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

          Lada

          Oooooh...
          SHINY!

          --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo.
          <mailto:ladie_lada%40yahoo.com> com> wrote:
          From: Yevgeniya Pechenaya <ladie_lada@yahoo. <mailto:ladie_lada%40yahoo.com>
          com>
          Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
          To: sig@yahoogroups. <mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com> com
          Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 7:20 PM

          On the Russian Version of the site under "reconstruction" or
          "àÕÚÞÝáâàãÚæØï" there is pretty much entire book with
          ilustrations to dress, decoration and multiple other things.

          Lada

          Oooooh...
          SHINY!

          --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo.
          <mailto:seonaid13%40yahoo.com> com> wrote:
          From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. <mailto:seonaid13%40yahoo.com> com>
          Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
          To: sig@yahoogroups. <mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com> com
          Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:47 PM

          Pop over to the Russian version of the page, then

          Babelfish it. There's actually MORE on the Russian

          versions of the pages than the English.

          On the Reconstruction page in Russian, this Lithuanian

          book is the last of the 8 books listed. (the first

          one is Drevnaia Rus: Byt I Kultura!) On the English

          version of the page, only 5 books are listed.

          --Sfandra

          --- Patoodle@aol. com wrote:

          > That book cover makes me DROOL!!! Me want book!!!

          >

          > Call me clueless, or perhaps sleepy after my lunch,

          > but I can't find the scanned book on KAUP's Web

          > site. Is there a table of contents or something?

          >

          > Thanks! (Aciu!)

          >

          > In service,

          > Patricia of Trakai

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          > -----Original Message-----

          > From: Sfandra <seonaid13@yahoo. com>

          > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

          > Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 2:02 pm

          > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

          >

          >

          >

          > OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ

          > ( http://pearl. livejournal. com/), but thanks to that,

          > I

          > have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a

          > 1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas

          > reenactment group.

          >

          > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/en/index. htm

          >

          > Through the English site, and the assistance of

          > Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,

          > I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting

          > WILDLY INSPIRED.

          >

          > The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as

          > well

          > as several other articles and books, with LOTS and

          > LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too

          >

          much...http: //club-kaup. narod.ru/ rec/archussr_ drrus_bk/ archussr_
          drrus_bk_
          table97.jpg

          > (ok, maybe incense burners...)

          >

          > There's also a lot of photos from museums.

          >

          > Have fun. Lord knows, I am!!!

          > --Sfandra

          >

          > --- Patricia Hefner

          > <hefnerpatriciahefne rpatricia@ yahoo.com> wrote:

          >

          > > Yeah, it looks interesting.

          > > THL Isabelle de Foix

          >

          > > ----- Original Message ----

          > > From: Jennifer Nelson Kemp <lady.ianuk@gmail. com>

          > > To: sig@yahoogroups. com

          > > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:53:08 AM

          > > Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help

          > >

          > >

          > > Wow...looks interestings. ..

          > >

          > > Ianuk

          > >

          > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Paul W

          > Goldschmidt

          > > <goldschp@tds. net>wrote:

          > >

          > > > It is Lithuanian, but I cannot translate it.

          > > >

          > > > -- Paul

          > > >

          > > > At 11:44 AM 8/13/2008, you wrote:

          > > >

          > > > ><

          > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

          > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

          > > _orig.jpg

          > > > >

          > > > http://club- kaup.narod. ru/rec/books/ volkaite-

          > > kulikauskiene00_ orig/volkaite- kulikauskiene000

          > > _orig.jpg

          > > >

          > > > >

          > > > >Can anyone tell me the language and the

          > > translation of

          > > > >this book cover?

          > > > >

          > > > >--Sfandra

          >

          >

          > ************ ******

          > Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

          > KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

          > Haus Von Drakenklaue

          > Kingdom of the East

          > ************ ******

          > Never 'pearl' your butt.

          >

          >

          >

          >

          > ------------ --------- --------- ------

          >

          > Yahoo! Groups Links

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          > [Non-text portions of this message have been

          > removed]

          >

          >

          > ------------ --------- --------- ------

          >

          > Yahoo! Groups Links

          >

          >

          >

          >

          >

          ************ ******

          Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva Chernigova

          KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir

          Haus Von Drakenklaue

          Kingdom of the East

          ************ ******

          Never 'pearl' your butt.

          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

          ------------------------------------

          Yahoo! Groups Links

          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

          ------------------------------------

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        • Joseph Belcher
          I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”. In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is
          Message 4 of 22 , May 16, 2013
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            I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.

            In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.

            I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.

            Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.

            -Halbrust



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          • Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik
            Greetings! Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine. It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained
            Message 5 of 22 , May 16, 2013
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              Greetings!


              Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
              It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).





              Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher <iegrappling@...>:

              >
              >I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
              >
              >In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
              >
              >I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
              >
              >Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
              >
              >-Halbrust
              >
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              >
              >


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            • Joseph Belcher
              Thank you Alexey! I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along. According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including
              Message 6 of 22 , May 20, 2013
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                Thank you Alexey!
                I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.

                According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.

                If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
                Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?

                -Halbrust

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik <Posadnik@...>
                To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 10:27 pm
                Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help





                Greetings!

                Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
                It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).

                Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher <iegrappling@...>:
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                >
                >I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
                >
                >In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
                >
                >I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
                >
                >Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
                >
                >-Halbrust
                >
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              • Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik
                Greetings! Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The Green Wine is the
                Message 7 of 22 , May 20, 2013
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                  Greetings!


                  Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The "Green Wine" is the obvious late-period (and/or post-period) re-edition of the story. All the same, the oldest known published source of Bylinas is afair Kisha Danilov's Songs, about 1740; so there's no "original text" available.
                  The original source could refer to meads, beers jr wines, there was not a great variety of alcoholic drinks in Kievan Russia: wines were imported, meads and beers were home-made.


                  Понедельник, 20 мая 2013, 12:27 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher <iegrappling@...>:

                  >
                  >Thank you Alexey!
                  >I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.
                  >
                  >According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.
                  >
                  >If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
                  >Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?
                  >
                  >-Halbrust
                  >
                  >-----Original Message-----
                  >From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik < Posadnik@... >
                  >To: sig < sig@yahoogroups.com >
                  >Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 10:27 pm
                  >Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
                  >
                  >Greetings!
                  >
                  >Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
                  >It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).
                  >
                  >Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher < iegrappling@... >:
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                  >>
                  >>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
                  >>
                  >>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
                  >>
                  >>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
                  >>
                  >>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
                  >>
                  >>-Halbrust
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                • Joseph Belcher
                  More questions asked off-list -Halbrust ... From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik To: sig Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 12:41
                  Message 8 of 22 , May 23, 2013
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                    More questions asked off-list

                    -Halbrust

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik <Posadnik@...>
                    To: sig <sig@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 12:41 pm
                    Subject: Re[2]: [sig] Translation help




                    Greetings!

                    Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The "Green Wine" is the obvious late-period (and/or post-period) re-edition of the story. All the same, the oldest known published source of Bylinas is afair Kisha Danilov's Songs, about 1740; so there's no "original text" available.
                    The original source could refer to meads, beers jr wines, there was not a great variety of alcoholic drinks in Kievan Russia: wines were imported, meads and beers were home-made.

                    Понедельник, 20 мая 2013, 12:27 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher <iegrappling@...>:
                    >
                    >
                    >Thank you Alexey!
                    >I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.
                    >
                    >According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.
                    >
                    >If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
                    >Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?
                    >
                    >-Halbrust
                    >
                    >-----Original Message-----
                    >From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik < Posadnik@... >
                    >To: sig < sig@yahoogroups.com >
                    >Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 10:27 pm
                    >Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
                    >
                    >Greetings!
                    >
                    >Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
                    >It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).
                    >
                    >Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher < iegrappling@... >:
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                    >>
                    >>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
                    >>
                    >>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
                    >>
                    >>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
                    >>
                    >>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
                    >>
                    >>-Halbrust
                    >>
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                  • Joseph Belcher
                    I m digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family. I have several passages from a 1617 book
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jun 17, 2013
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                      I'm digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family.

                      I have several passages from a 1617 book using the term дома. Is anyone willing to look over some scans and see if any of the uses apply in the way I want/need them to?

                      I've attempted using Google translate, but I'm having little to no luck. The images are scanned, and so I can not cut and paste text. Trying to type in the correct letters is not working very well.

                      -Halbrust

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                    • Anya Stickney
                      I m willing to help. If you are on facebook, you cat post them to the facebook SIG page. That way, multiple people can see them and help. Always good to have
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jun 18, 2013
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                        I'm willing to help. If you are on facebook, you cat post them to the
                        facebook SIG page. That way, multiple people can see them and help. Always
                        good to have multiple people's opinions with this sort of thing. Or perhaps
                        you can post them to the file section of this group?

                        Anya


                        On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Joseph Belcher <iegrappling@...> wrote:

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                        > I'm digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct
                        > pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family.
                        >
                        > I have several passages from a 1617 book using the term дома. Is anyone
                        > willing to look over some scans and see if any of the uses apply in the way
                        > I want/need them to?
                        >
                        > I've attempted using Google translate, but I'm having little to no luck.
                        > The images are scanned, and so I can not cut and paste text. Trying to type
                        > in the correct letters is not working very well.
                        >
                        > -Halbrust
                        >
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