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  • Melanie Peters
    Hi, I ve been lurking for a while, but thought I d come out and introduce myself... :¬) I m Emy, and I m a re-enactor in England. I m part of a group called
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 11, 2007
      Hi,

      I've been lurking for a while, but thought I'd come out and introduce
      myself... :¬)

      I'm Emy, and I'm a re-enactor in England. I'm part of a group called Lion
      Rampant, which mostly portrays the medieval English nobility. Usually we
      take on a character from history, e.g. my best friend is Sir Thomas
      Montecute, and my fiancé is Hugh de Lacy, but occasionally people create
      characters to allow for 'occupations' or ethnicity - a Lebanese guy is a
      moor, and we have a Polish Lady, Panna Ewa... Anyways, that doesn't explain
      why I'm here! I studied Russian at university, and am a librarian and
      part-time student now, studying mostly c11th-15thC history. However, most of
      what I can study is very Western European orientated, so I have been trying
      to learn more about 'my' area in this period by myself. I wasn't able to go
      this early as an undergrad either and ended up doing an (interesting)
      extended module on 1914-1921 in my final year instead! Well, it was
      history...! I'm hoping to get a place next year (2008/09) to start a PhD,
      but probably concentrating on the West still as I can't really find any
      supervisors over here specialising in Russian history before about 1700...
      Pre-Petrine Russia seems to be a black hole academically in Britain! So,
      anyway, I've been considering using what I'm learning to create or find a
      secondary character for myself of a Slavic lady, but there are certain
      points I need to consider before I bring it 'officially' to the group...

      Some questions:
      1. Why would a Russian be in Britain in this period? I can think of reasons
      for a merchant's wife/daughter, but not anyone of Boyar class or higher...
      She'd need to be reasonably aristocratic to be socialising with Earls and
      similar! If I could find a Muscovite princess marrying West that late, I
      could place her as a lady-in-waiting, but am currently drawing a blank
      there.
      2. Bit of a long-shot, but has anyone got pictures or know where I can find
      some, showing medieval _aristocratic_ dress for women? I can find merchants
      and boyari, but not boyarini... Looking at the 1903 Ball pictures on
      Costumers Manifesto, how much would fashion have changed in the preceding
      150 years? I know that the West considered Russia 'backward', but have no
      idea how this relates practically! Stylistically, these reproductions of
      17thC costume seem to resemble strongly late 15thC Italian ones, but that is
      not much in the way of decent evidence!!

      Anyway, I shall go back to reading!

      Emy
      x


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    • Karen McInturff
      Greetings!! During the rule of Prince Yaroslav ( or Iaroslav, i ve seen it spelled both ways) the wise, during the 11th century,he used marragies between
      Message 2 of 4 , Jul 16, 2007
        Greetings!! During the rule of Prince Yaroslav ( or Iaroslav, i've seen it spelled both ways) the wise, during the 11th century,he used marragies between members of the upper class to form bonds and good relations with other countries, including his own to a princess from another european nation. If you can find it, I have found Russia and the Russians to be a good source book. Perhaps Sfandra might know a few more? :)

        I don't know if this helps at all (I'm still new to all this myself). And please forgive the spelling, only have about 5 min a day to check mail, so hurrying.







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      • Sfandra
        Vernadsky s Keivan Rus is a great book, a real over all look at the period, plus some nice detailed info about dress, economy etc. If you have a university
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 17, 2007
          Vernadsky's "Keivan Rus" is a great book, a real "over
          all" look at the period, plus some nice detailed info
          about dress, economy etc.

          If you have a university library nearby, you could
          probably find more books too. I'm jonesing to get my
          mitts on "The Dynasty of Chernigov" by Martin Dimnik.
          2 volumes covering the Princes of Chernigov from 1054
          through to 1246. **cue Tim Taylor enthusiastic
          caveman grunting here**

          My personal favorite story to try an explain to
          western-european folk why they should admire and like
          Kievan Rus is to point out that Henry the First of
          France married Anne of Kiev, daughter of Yaroslav the
          First. She was Queen Consort of France, and ruled for
          7 years as Regent for Philip the First. It is said
          that when Henry married Anne, SHE could read the
          marriage bans and sign her own name, whereas Henry had
          to have a scribe sign for him.

          --Cheers,
          --Sfandra

          --- Karen McInturff <kievanlady@...> wrote:

          > Greetings!! During the rule of Prince Yaroslav ( or
          > Iaroslav, i've seen it spelled both ways) the wise,
          > during the 11th century,he used marragies between
          > members of the upper class to form bonds and good
          > relations with other countries, including his own to
          > a princess from another european nation. If you can
          > find it, I have found Russia and the Russians to be
          > a good source book. Perhaps Sfandra might know a
          > few more? :)
          >
          > I don't know if this helps at all (I'm still new
          > to all this myself). And please forgive the
          > spelling, only have about 5 min a day to check mail,
          > so hurrying.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Pomestnitsa Kashka Mokosheva
          >
          > Life is a series of roads, where we end up along
          > the way is ours to decide.
          >


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        • Melanie Peters
          Thanks all so far for the help... I m rather lucky being a university librarian (cataloguing), so I am currently ploughing through Vernadsky in my breaks. Have
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 23, 2007
            Thanks all so far for the help... I'm rather lucky being a university
            librarian (cataloguing), so I am currently ploughing through Vernadsky in my
            breaks. Have also got a book by Eck to read after (Le moyen age russe). Not
            found Dimnik yet, but am over in the main library tomorrow so shall try to
            sneak in another few minutes upstairs at lunch! :D

            I did manage to find a couple of articles from the late 1920s-1940s on the
            broad subject of 'Russia and the West'. I have pdf copies of some of these,
            so let me know if you would like me to put them up on the SIG site.

            Re Anne, she was definitely literate, to what extent I don't know, but we
            still have documents with her signature on them (in Cyrillic)...

            Oh, and I came across an interesting marriage last week which I'm now
            investigating:

            *Sophia*, +after 1269; 1m: 1229 Dietrich van Kakenhausen (+1245/54); 2m:
            1254 Bernard de Heye
            She's from the line of Polotsk, but very minor! I'm interested in finding
            out now who de Heye was, and what is the source for this marriage...

            Emy

            On 17/07/07, Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
            >
            > Vernadsky's "Keivan Rus" is a great book, a real "over
            > all" look at the period, plus some nice detailed info
            > about dress, economy etc.
            >
            > If you have a university library nearby, you could
            > probably find more books too. I'm jonesing to get my
            > mitts on "The Dynasty of Chernigov" by Martin Dimnik.
            > 2 volumes covering the Princes of Chernigov from 1054
            > through to 1246. **cue Tim Taylor enthusiastic
            > caveman grunting here**
            >
            > My personal favorite story to try an explain to
            > western-european folk why they should admire and like
            > Kievan Rus is to point out that Henry the First of
            > France married Anne of Kiev, daughter of Yaroslav the
            > First. She was Queen Consort of France, and ruled for
            > 7 years as Regent for Philip the First. It is said
            > that when Henry married Anne, SHE could read the
            > marriage bans and sign her own name, whereas Henry had
            > to have a scribe sign for him.
            >
            > --Cheers,
            > --Sfandra
            >
            > --- Karen McInturff <kievanlady@...> wrote:
            >
            > > Greetings!! During the rule of Prince Yaroslav ( or
            > > Iaroslav, i've seen it spelled both ways) the wise,
            > > during the 11th century,he used marragies between
            > > members of the upper class to form bonds and good
            > > relations with other countries, including his own to
            > > a princess from another european nation. If you can
            > > find it, I have found Russia and the Russians to be
            > > a good source book. Perhaps Sfandra might know a
            > > few more? :)
            > >
            > > I don't know if this helps at all (I'm still new
            > > to all this myself). And please forgive the
            > > spelling, only have about 5 min a day to check mail,
            > > so hurrying.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Pomestnitsa Kashka Mokosheva
            > >
            > > Life is a series of roads, where we end up along
            > > the way is ours to decide.
            > >
            >
            >
            > ******************
            > Posadnitsa Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova
            > KOE, Maunche, Apprentice to Maitresse Irene LeNoir
            > Haus Von Drakenklaue
            > Kingdom of the East
            > ******************
            > Never 'pearl' your butt.
            >
            >
            >
            >
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