- Greetings Susanna
First off the pronunciation of my name. It is Scotish Celtic in
origin thus the great jumble of letters that really dont need to be
there. Pronunciation depends on the time period you look it up in.
Since I choose early 14th century Scotland for my persona I pronounce
it TUR-yal-vich, with the ch on the end being much like the soft ch
in the scottish loch or the german bach. A more common, and later
period, pronunciation is CHAR-loch. Hope that helps you to wrap you
mind around all those letters. You should see the look on people
faces when they ask me my name at an event and I give them the full
name! Lord Toirdhealbhach Mor mac Gille Mhuire. TUR-yal-vich more
mack hill vur is how all that is pronounced.
Now then, THANK YOU for the help you are offering on the Dragelji
thing, and my Wife LOVES Jelena! Two years ago we were only able to
get a hand drawn location of the village from a man who had been
there. Two days ago I found it on Google Maps. It is located just
north and west of the city Boca Luca(sp? going off memory here). I
hope that can help you a little. I found a Boca Lucia on a map of
Bosnia from the 1300's and I assume that is the same city, but there
was no mention of Dragelji anywhere. If you have any other questions
please feel free to ask.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Suzanne" <sovagris@...> wrote:
> Toirdhealbhach [how *do* you pronounce that?],
> I can't help yet but I'll keep trying. This is the sort of
challenge I enjoy. :-) I've looked
> quickly through several Bosnian histories [in English] and some old
> books and haven't found any mention of those places or variations
on the spellings of
> those places. But I admit that it's been an unscientific sort of
search! My atlas is too small
> to help, so I'll have to go to the map room at the university to
find anything detailed
> enough... and that probably won't happen for a couple of weeks. In
the meantime, I hope
> someone else will have some information for you.
> Has your wife chosen a time for her persona? I found just a few
women's names, but one
> of them was a queen of Bosnia for a few years at the very end of
the 14th century: Helen,
> also called Gruba. The South Slavic variant of Helen is Jelena
(pronounced Yell-en-a with a
> slight emphasis on the first syllable) and it's a common name in
the area even today.
> --- In email@example.com, "toirdhealbhach_gille_mhuire"
> > Hello all.
> > I am brand new here so if this topic has been discussed I
> > My Wife is looking to change her SCA Persona to...I think it
> > Serb. Her RL Grandmother was from a small village in Bosnia
> > Dragelji or maybe another village named Brezovec. Anyway my Wife
> > to use a Bosnian or Serb name follow with "of Dragelji". Wifes
> > Grandmother was named Angel Dragelj so a few research think she
> > either from Dragelji or her ancestors were. My question is, for
> > who may know the area much better than I, how old is this
> > it a pre 1600 place name? Any help, even to say that it is not a
> > medieval village, would be helpful.
> > Thank you very much
> > Toirdhealbhach