Re: religion in the SCA (was Re: kvas revisited)
- On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Jenn Ridley wrote:
> >I will not comment on religion on a list because it is not appropriate to the SCA.[snip]
> Pardon me?!? You mean to tell me that understanding, even on the most
> superficial level, the differences between modern Christianity and the
> religions that our personas were living is *not* SCA related??
> knowledge is good. just don't pass up the stuff that's really true inBefore you whip out the soapbox, try to give people the benefit of the
> favor of the stuff that you wish was true.
doubt. Not commenting on religion in a list may not be about 'what's
interesting' but about not offending people or starting flamewars. (Policy
#6 has a lot to answer for. Some people genuinely overinterpret it to mean
that you cannot discuss religion in the SCA or have a religious persona.)
(I will point out that the last time this was discussed, some remarks were
made about those who choose to have pagan personas as well as modern
pagans, and the person may well be trying to avoid a flamewar.)
Jadwiga Zajaczkowa, mka Jennifer Heise jenne@...
disclaimer: i speak for no-one and no-one speaks for me...
".. objections to the evils of political correctness have become a hypocritical
reflex that lets people justify all kinds of rude behavior while telling
themselves that they're actually standing up for freedom and values and
tradition and stuff." -- Phil Agre, Red Rock Eater News Service
>>I will not comment on religion on a list because it is not appropriate tothe SCA.
>My persona is Orthodox and deeply so. I wasn't concerened about the
>Pardon me?!? You mean to tell me that understanding, even on the most
>superficial level, the differences between modern Christianity and the
>religions that our personas were living is *not* SCA related??
superficial level, but the deeper levels. I apologise that I find it
difficult to disuss religion on a superficial level.
>You had better rethink that position. It's like saying that a personI don't believe I said that a person shouldn't know about the religions of
>with an Oriental persona shouldn't know anything about the Tao, or
>Buddha or Shinto (depending on the country and era).
their period culture. I'm just saying that I gave my superficial comments
already, and prefer to take the more substantial ones off list. Including
my joyous religious experiences inside the Kremlin Churches, or at Sergiev
Or the senses of wonder and mystery at the Church sacred to the Russian Navy
Would you say
>that a Crusader persona shouldn't know anything about the Church s/heHistory is excellent. I suppose that I felt less like commenting on Pagan
>is Crusading for, since it's not SCA appropriate?
history on the list.
>Icons are not a part of my daily life. Neither is Daily Mass, orI have icons in my home. They are treasures to me, and spiritually
>Buddhist meditation. That doesn't mean that I should just ignore them
>even if it is persona appropriate.
significant. I'd just prefer to comment off list unless it's relevant.
Perhaps I misjudged what is relevant, because I only going on past years of
>>However, I do *love* the Kremlin. But I got iconed to death in Moscow andIn Leningrad, I went to a number of churches and saw perhaps two hundred
>>after a while couldn't take it anymore.
>OK, I see... you feel uncomfortable with it. Therefore it's
Icons. then I went to Moscow. I went to the New Church downtown that was
once a swimming pool. Old Church, new Church and modern icons. I went to
the Kremlin and saw hundreds and hundred of icons. We went to Sergiev Posad
and in 35 degree centegrade saw very many old church icons.
My sig oth. turned to me and said: tomorrow we will go to ******* he said
"There are many icons there." I said, please, no more icons. Not this
>/sarcasm onI answered direct questions. And suggested I take it off-list. Twas not
>But ooooh....Pagans...now there's something *interesting*.
meant to offend you or others.
>Never mind that Orthodox Christianity has enough real history toHistory is good.
>fascinate a person for years;
never mind that the differences between
>orthodox Christianity and modern christianity are deep (perhaps notWas this still directed at me? Or others.
>very wide, but still go back century upon century); never mind that
>all we have on russian paganism is folk tales and speculation.
I'd certainly be very interesting in your knowledge about the differences
between old church and new church of Russian Othodox, either on list or off.