RE: RE : [sig] Sofya, Underthings site proposal
- WELL DONE SOFYA!!! Thank you again. I can't wait for the female webpage!
Well, my "watch" today was rewarded with a thick package from Mordak!
For those of you who have been waiting so patiently:
A Merchant of 15th Century Novgorod
The html code is slightly off in a couple of places, but I'm too tired to fix it. Please let me know if you find any serious problems.
I plan to have the article on the Merchant's Wife finished tomorrow.
Sofya la Rus
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- Post them to the SIG yahoogroup! Please? :)
On 3/1/06, jennifer knox <jeniferknox@...> wrote:
> At least in the 10th century they did, that book i mentioned earlier ('von china nach byzanz') has pictures of pants 'belonging either to women or men'. I cant imagine that women were wearing them over their dresses :-). can i send attachments over this list or would i have to send it to a private email address?
> and that web page *does* rock!
> Sfandra <seonaid13@...> wrote:
> Now, would a logical assumption be that woman wore the
> same sort of underthings as men?
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> > A Merchant of 15th Century Novgorod
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- OK, so we've established the bottom half.
Warning for Gentlemen: Discussion of female-specifics
For ladies, what about the top half? Roman garments
included a breast band ('strophium' IIRC or something
like that?), basically just 'strapping down the
girls'. ;) I have no idea if this carried over to the
Byzantine empire, or if there were middle eastern
influences to consider. Subsequent time periods in
western europe have a certain amount of support built
in; there are a number of resources for the
self-supporting cote-simple. I suppose theoretically,
the first layer sorochka or rubakha could be
constructed the same way as a supporting cote-simple,
but the necessary tailoring strikes me as a trifle
sophisticated compared to other early period Rus'
garments. I'm rather inclined to think the Rus' used
nothing at all, or a roman style breast band.
Comments? Ideas? Perhaps there's a middle-eastern
item I'm missing?
--- jennifer knox <jeniferknox@...> wrote:
> At least in the 10th century they did, that book i******************
> mentioned earlier ('von china nach byzanz') has
> pictures of pants 'belonging either to women or
> men'. I cant imagine that women were wearing them
> over their dresses :-). can i send attachments over
> this list or would i have to send it to a private
> email address?
> and that web page *does* rock!
Sfandra Dmitrieva iz Chernigova
Kingdom of the East
Never 'pearl' your butt.
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- Wait no more. :)
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>Thank you again. I can't wait for the female webpage![Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- Excellent work on BOTH sites, Sofya.
On 3/1/06, L.M. Kies <lkies@...> wrote:
> Wait no more. :)
> So, maybe underwear in period really is old pantsThat's where we get into the question of fabric choice. Most of the
> and old shirts, cut shorter and recycled for more use
> and a good periodic boiling?
time, we seem to see wool or other animal fabric as the outerwear, and
linen or other bast fibers as the innerwear. This is assumed to be
because the bast fibers wash better and dry more quickly; putting them
next to the skin and washing them on a regular basis seems to make
sense. Bast fibers also don't take dye as well as animal fibers, which
is a disadvantage for outer clothing.
Still, if the rumor that multiple underdresses were used is true, one
could layer the better ones over (or under) the older, more worn out
things. And after all, t-shirts were originally underclothes, not
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