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Re: Digest Number 131

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  • Bob Markovitch
    ... From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:15 AM Subject: [sig] Digest Number 131 ...
    Message 1 of 1 , Nov 23, 1999
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      Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:15 AM
      Subject: [sig] Digest Number 131


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      Interesting conversation on Eastern Slavic origins! A few interesting (I
      hope) tidbits to add.

      -much of the ethnic origins of the Russian nation as it emerged from the
      principality of Muscovy, is Finno-Ugric. Today perhaps 80% or so of the
      place names of ancient Russia west of the Urals are of Finno-Ugric origin!
      -the Slavic component of Russian culture seems to come from about 3
      sources:
      +Rus' to the south, centered at "Kiev" (many documents speak of
      Muscovites as going "to Rus'," when they were going to Kiev!)
      +some sourcing is from the native Slavic tribes, which formed Russia's
      fringe border with Belarus' and Ukraine.
      +some is from the church language introduced (Old Church Slavonic=~Old
      Macedonian/Bulgarian) from the Rusyn's/Ukrainian's to the south. (Today
      Russian is very closer to Bulgarian, because of this etymology), which
      overwhelmed the very small local variant of native Slavic kernal of the
      sources of the Russian nation in places like Vladimir and Suzdal.
      +Belarusyn is a separate language, recognized so by linguists today, and
      does have a national literature.
      +Belarusyn seems to have become distinct from Rusyn (Ukrainian) at a
      later date, perhaps as late as the 16th or 17th century. The two of then
      (sometimes called "Ruthenian", though this designation sometimes has other
      referents), according to some linguists, began to separate perhaps as early
      as the 12th century. One interesting historical marker of this is the
      ancient epic, "The Lay of Ihor's Campaign!" This document created a stir in
      19th century academia of the Russian empire! They asked, "What language is
      this?" "It is not Russian, not Old Church Slavonic, not Polish though is
      seems to have some Polish words. . ." It was Old Ukrainian, a category
      (whether old or new) that Russian scholars were forbidden to believe in at
      the time!
      + finally, as some have noted, there were/are areas of transition
      between these 3 languages: Catherine the Great wanted for her government
      "real Russians, not men of Smolensk or Bryansk!"

      This history ought flesh out the conflicts in our relived camps!

      Svyatoslav Izbornik!
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