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  • Yevgeniya Pechenaya
    Apr 18, 2013
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      Reading this discussion make me think that I would love and I think others would too to see a class on period Russian titles of all levels.
      just throwing it out there. :)


       
      Lada

      Oooooh...
      SHINY!


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      From: charles stefanich <mos6238@...>
      To: "sig@yahoogroups.com" <sig@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:23 PM
      Subject: Re: [sig] Kievan Royal titles



       
      Thanks so much. I will pass on both and let them chose. Is it possible to get a phonetic pronunciation of the Kievan Rus titles. I'd hate to use my heralds best guess when I speak with them.
      Istvan Valkai

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      From: Lisa Kies <lkies319@...>
      To: sig@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:15 PM
      Subject: Re: [sig] Kievan Royal titles

       
      During the Kievan period, the terms Tsar, Tsaritsa, Tsarevna, etc. were
      used to refer to the Byzantine emperor and his family, and for various
      rulers in the Bible.

      From the Russian primary chronicle:

      988 [6496] "The Princess [tsaritsa] declared to him..." [The "Princess"
      here is the sister of the Byzantine emperors.] царица... цари

      During the Mongol period, the terms were used for the Mongol khan and his
      family.

      The first Russian ruler to use the title "tsar" (albeit inconsistently) was
      Ivan III. His grandson, Ivan IV was the first to be _crowned_ tsar.

      http://sofyalarus.info/Russia/titlesroyal.html

      But the "tsar" titles are a lot easier to say than Velikii Knyaz and
      Velikaya Knyaginya and were used in the Kievan period in Rus.

      At your service,

      Sofya

      On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Joseph Belcher <mailto:iegrappling%40aol.com> wrote:

      >
      > Doing research now, I just found referrence (unverified) of Tsaritsa being
      > used in the 10th century :o)
      >
      > -Halbrust
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
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      > We are also stepping up on May 4th but to save our populace from saying
      > mouthful we are doing with Tsar and Tsaritsa which is well out of period
      > or us.
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      >
      > the female equivalent would be Velikaya Knyaginya
      >
      > Lada
      >
      > Oooooh...
      > SHINY!
      >
      > scribal arts:
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      > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150165898386642.292073.728251641&l=c4602b7ffc&type=1
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      > From: Joseph Belcher <mailto:iegrappling%40aol.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
      > 'iegrappling%40aol.com');>>
      > To: mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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      > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:06 PM
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      > I believe Grand Prince would be the most appropriate title for His reign.
      > I unfortunately do no know the corresponding title (if there was one) for
      > Her.
      >
      > -Halbrust
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      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: charles stefanich <mailto:mos6238%40yahoo.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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      > To: sig <mailto:sig%40yahoogroups.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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      > Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:59 am
      > Subject: [sig] Kievan Royal titles
      >
      > Midrealm coronation is this May 4, 2013. Her Royal Highness as tasked me
      > with finding appropriate titles for 9Th-10THC Kievan Rus rulers that they
      > can use for their reign. Help with this will be very welcome and
      > appreciated.
      > In service,
      > THL Istvan Valkai
      > Squire to Duke Felix
      > Apprentice to Master Zygmunt
      > Great Slav of the Slavic Nation
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