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Booch on SOA & Architecture

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  • Gervas Douglas
    Message 1 of 39 , Feb 6, 2007

      <<I recently attended a round-table discussion with Grady Booch. Yes, the Grady Booch. What, you’ve never heard of him? If you studied Computer Science you are sure to have at least one book of his. He is one of the gurus of software development. He is now working as “chief scientist” for IBM.

      Read his blog here and another blog of his here.

      You can also watch his recent Turing Lecture on “the promise, the limits and the beauty of software”. It is very interesting.

      Here some tidbits from the discussion with him :

      Functional programming languages (like LISP, Scheme and SML) failed largely because they made it very easy to do very difficult things, but it was too hard to do the easy things.

      The current buzzword for revolutionizing the software industry is SOA: Service Oriented Architecture. Grady calls it “Snake Oil Oriented Architecture”. It is just re-branded “Message Oriented Architecture”. The idea is to expose services and describe them using WSDL. This decreases coupling between systems. The service becomes the thing to test things against. The rest of the software application becomes a black box. A meta-architecture emerges: no software is an island onto itself.

      It is a good idea, but the hundreds of WS* standards are so complicated and ill-defined that Microsoft’s and IBM’s implementations end up being incompatible. Lesser companies have no hope of ever implementing these crazy so-called standards. Just another scheme by the big companies to lock people into their software.

      Bill Higgins‘ REST-style of SOA is much more promising. It builds upon the idea of something like HTTP instead of the complex transfer protocols of the WS-Vertigo world.

      But back to software architecture…

      The next big challenge in software architecture is concurrency. Raw clock speed has just about reached its physical limit. Chip companies are now putting multiple copies of the same CPU onto a single chip. The result is that applications can no longer just be run faster. They have to be run in parallel in some way. For example:

      Dreamworks computer animation uses 10,000 serves in a production pipeline to render movies like Shrek 3. They will soon switch to using multi-core processor, but will have trouble distributing the work-load to take advantage of all these multiple cores.

      The game company EA has the same problem. the Playstation 3 uses the Cell processor which has an 8-core CPU. How does on take advantage of all these 8 cores? EA segments their games into simple concerns: graphics on one core, audio on another, AI on yet another, etc. But the company admits that they are using only about 10% of the processor’s capacity. So much potential computing power is wasted because it is really difficult to parallelize something as complex as a video game.
      A typical Google node (and there are many around the world) consists of about 100,000 servers, but Google have a relatively “easy” problem. Search is “easy” to parallelize.

      The perfect architecture doesn’t exist. Good architectures have evolved over time. The first version of Photoshop wasn’t very good, but it has undergone many rebirths. Amazon’s computer systems can handle the loss of an entire data-center without a shopper ever noticing. It certainly wasn’t always that way, but by gradual refinement they have built (and are continuing to build) a better and better architecture.
      A typical EA game costs about $15 million just in development cost (that is without the cost involved in licensing, marketing, or distributing). Two kids in a garage can no longer create amazing software. They can have a great idea, but it has to evolve into something much more complex to be truly useful (on that note: Google is a company most seriously in need of adult supervision; way too much money in the hands of kids. They will soon face a mid-life crisis just like IBM has in the past and Microsoft currently is right in the middle of - just look at the state of Windows Vista).

      Some principles for a good architecture:

      • Crisp and resilient abstractions: use an object oriented view of the world, rather than algorithm based view of the world. Think about things instead of processes (this idea dates back to Plato).
      • Good separation of concerns: that is in one sense obvious, but is also really hard to get right. It is very tempting to put a bits of logic in the wrong places in the architecture.
      • Balanced distribution of responsibilities: no part of the system should dominate the entire architecture.
      • Simple systems: the holy grail; very few software companies get to this point. The best systems are ones that actually decrease their amount of code over time. Good developers find ways to do the same functions more efficiently.

      How to tell a good architecture when you see one? Ask the following questions?

      • Do you have a software architect? (or, at most, 2 - 3 people sharing the role)
      • Do you have an incremental development process? (not waterfall, but releasing a new version every week or so)
      • Do you have a culture of patterns? (design patterns are beautiful and the best thing for creating good software)

      If the answer to all three questions is “yes”, then chances are you have a good architecture, or even if you do not have a good architecture at the moment, you will gradually evolve to having one.

      4Plus1 Architecture

      Want to learn about good architecture? A good place to start is the 4+1 model view of software architecture. Software needs to be envisioned from multiple different perspective simultaneously. Just like their can’t be just one 2D diagram outlining the plan for a house, there can’t be a single view of a software application. [I might add that there can’t just be a single view of the Universe. The Vedic literature therefore describes the Universe from 4 different viewpoints simultaneously.]

      As for Web 2.0: it is a meme, an idea, a flag pole that you can hang almost anything off.

      As for the Semantic Web? Developers don’t understand normal software architecture properly, so what chance is there for them to understand something as complicated as semantically aware software? So, in Grady’s opinion, the semantic web is a long, long way off.>>

      You can read this blog at: http://www.deltaflow.com/?p=370



    • Jerry Zhu
      All things are created twice. We first create a complete blueprint (1st creation as abstraction) of a house before digging the ground(2nd creation). When we
      Message 39 of 39 , Feb 13, 2007
        All things are created twice. We first create a
        complete blueprint (1st creation as abstraction) of a
        house before digging the ground(2nd creation). When
        we layed out the schemata of a car we then build
        smallest parts and assemble them to immediate parts to
        be assembled into larger parts until the final car.

        So the first creation is specification in levels to be
        effective with lowest level being most general and the
        highest level being the most specific. So specify top
        down and build bottom up. It is just common sense and
        theory of hierarchy(Simon, Pattee, Polanyi, Salthe,
        and Tarski).

        What is the hierarchy of enterprise software
        specification? We agree that service is a higher
        abstraction than object. I'd say that process
        (related modeling and technology is BPM) is higher
        abstraction than service. Eric's book says that SOA
        resides between BPM and applications. That is why we
        model process priori to service priori to objects and
        then implement them from objects to services to
        processes. Processes depend on services that depend on
        objects. We can add new objects to derive new
        services while do not impact existing services. New
        processes could be derived from the orchestration of
        both existing and new services. So better process


        --- Steve Jones <jones.steveg@...> wrote:

        > I'll just get on my soap box.....
        > On 12/02/07, Jerry Zhu <jerryyz@...> wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Eric,
        > >
        > > Regarding whether service or object first, my
        > view on
        > > this is that we model top down from processes to
        > > services to components/objects and implement
        > bottom
        > > up.
        > >
        > > I agree with you that service is at higher level
        > of
        > > abstraction and objects are at lower level. So
        > at
        > > service level we have asynchronous interaction
        > and
        > > synchronous communication at object level. So the
        > > higher level include the lower level instead of
        > beign
        > > exclusive.
        > >
        > > I see three levels of modeling and
        > implementation:
        > > model activities as objects, service as business
        > > sub-processes and service orchestration as
        > business
        > > processes. Each level requires different
        > technologies.
        > I see slightly less
        > 1) Business Services
        > 2) Implementation of business services
        > a) process
        > b) object
        > Sure different technologies, but if you start with
        > Process then by
        > definition you are not doing SOA you are doing POA.
        > >
        > >
        > > We must model business process first to be able
        > to
        > > model subprocesses/services and then to model
        > objects.
        > No, no and thrice no :) Business Process is not
        > where to start, it is
        > not how businesses are organised and BP does not
        > give flexibility. If
        > services are just "subprocesses" then SOA isn't
        > worth anything as its
        > just a subset of POA. BP is one possible
        > implementation approach for
        > a business service, and it is a long way away from
        > being the only or
        > most important one.
        > > Once the modeling is complete we are able to
        > > implement bottom up: objects to services to
        > service
        > > orchestration.
        > Why can't we implement top down?
        > >
        > > Implement activities as objects before services
        > give
        > > us the benefits of reusing objects (activities)
        > > because activities can be shared by multiple
        > > subprocesses so that we do not reinvent the
        > wheel.
        > I'm a bit confused as to how an object can be an
        > activity, surely an
        > activity is just a method?
        > >
        > > Jerry
        > >
        > >
        > > --- Eric Newcomer <e_newcomer@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > > Hi Stefan,
        > > >
        > > > Yes, but I think it is still a problem, that we
        > > > think about OO designers instead of SO
        > designers...
        > > >
        > > > Services are not objects, and I am only
        > suggesting
        > > > it would be helpful to design the service
        > first, and
        > > > the object second. Maybe objects are the best
        > way
        > > > to implement services, but I think objects tend
        > to
        > > > be more RPC oriented, or more typically used
        > for
        > > > synchronous style interactions.
        > > >
        > > > I believe some proportion of the world's
        > > > applications are better served using
        > asychronous
        > > > interactions. Certainly you can use objects
        > for
        > > > this - I am not trying to minimize the
        > importance of
        > > > objects in any way. But I think it helps
        > abstract
        > > > thinking to design a service independently of
        > > > whether it will be implemented using an object
        > or a
        > > > message queue.
        > > >
        > > > If you are always designing things in objects I
        > > > think you might miss one of the main benefits
        > of
        > > > services, which is a higher level of
        > abstraction.
        > > >
        > > > I just think modeling, designing, and thinking
        > about
        > > > everything in terms of objects is overkill, too
        > > > complex. But maybe this is because I am kind
        > of an
        > > > old guy, and I remember the world of IT before
        > > > objects were in it.
        > > >
        > > > Eric
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message ----
        > > > From: Stefan Tilkov <stefan.tilkov@...>
        > > > To:
        > service-orientated-architecture@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 5:51:15 PM
        > > > Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture]
        > Booch
        > > > on SOA & Architecture
        > > >
        > > > On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Eric Newcomer
        > wrote:
        > > >
        > > > > Yes, an object has a function. But the
        > business
        > > > more naturally
        > > > > thinks about "getting customer data" than
        > about
        > > > "the customer is an
        > > > > object on which you perform a get function."
        > > >
        > > > Hi Eric,
        > > >
        > > > I remember we had this discussion before - no
        > OO
        > > > designer is likely
        > > > to model things this way. It's perfectly fine
        > and
        > > > custom practice to
        > > > have classes with different roles, some of them
        > more
        > > > similar to
        > > > "controllers" , others more similar to
        > "entities".
        > > > Having a
        > > > "CustomerManager" with a "get" operation that
        > > > returns a "Customer"
        > > > value object is absolutely object-oriented and
        > not
        > > > at all different
        > > > from a typical SOA approach.
        > > >
        > > > A difference in a typical SOA approach is that
        > the
        > > > "customer value
        > > > object" would likely be an XML document, but
        > that's
        > > > a completely
        > > > different aspect than the one you point out.
        > > >
        > > > Stefan
        > > > --
        > > > Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq com/blog/ st/
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        === message truncated ===

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