Re: [service-orientated-architecture] A RESTafarian who eschews the use of SOAP
- 2008/7/31 Alexander Johannesen <alexander.johannesen@...>:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 22:26, Steve Jones <jones.steveg@...> wrote:Padded cell probably ;)
>>> They're pretty much all using HTTP and either XML or HTML URL-encoded
>>> they're already on the graph.
>> So are the HTTP/SOAP folks and the CORBA tunnelled over HTTP or the
>> VPN tunnelled over HTTP. All of those people are "using" HTTP but
>> "using" a protocol says nothing about "how" it is used. Move out of
>> the network layer and into the software.
> You two! Get a room, eh? :)
>In theory - practice and theory are the same thing. In practice they are not.
> Look, I think this is just plain miscommunication, especially about
> that whole HTTP statistics part of traffic outside the firewall. Here
> goes ;
> Yes, all of those using HTTP is, in theory, using REST, but no, 90% of
> them are simply using GET/POST of REST to tunnel their shit across (beHow do we define heavyweights in this context?
> it SOAP or otherwise), not giving two hoots about the protocol they
> are using, never mind looking into how that protocol support what
> their trying to tunnel through it to begin with .... By accident, 5%
> are RESTful in their ways, and, sadly, 5% or less are doing it right.
> However, I think the "doing it right" figure will rise dramatically
> (especially since AtomPub is done and embraced by heavyweights), and
> that SOAP use will go down as a direct result of it, simply becauseI never get the complexity thing, REST isn't simple its got some very
> there must be at least 50% reason not to do SOAP at all, especially
> cost and complexity.
"nice" bits in it that are far from simple and its got some tough
challenges (security for example) that aren't addressed. SOAP isn't
complex, the complaint people make about it is that it is _too easy
and hides the network_. So not doing SOAP might have many reasons but
it can't be both complex and too easy.
> Project Wrangler, SOA, Information Alchemist, UX, RESTafarian, Topic Maps
> ------------------------------------------ http://shelter.nu/blog/ --------
I've seen your discussion regards to OTA.
Do you have or know where I can find an OTA server example built in .Net?
Where can I find the OTA wsdl to import? With provided OTA stuff I can only find the isolated .xsd files. Isn't there an OTA wsdl to get imported?
Thanks in advance
---In email@example.com, <atmanes@...> wrote:Exactly my point, John. Not everyone agrees with your (and my)
distinction between choreography and orchestration. I'm positing that
the person writing the original article was, in fact, talking about
orchestration rather than choreography.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM, John Evdemon <jevdemon@...> wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2008 at 11:54, Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>> If you define choreography as an executable workflow (a la
>> BPEL), then I think it does
> Minor quibble: BPEL is an orchestration language, not a choreography