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  • John C. Lavender
    Hi folks! Thanks to Oliver for starting this list... I m a fairly new to collecting Seleukid bronzes, and I enjoy studying the coinage of the other hellenistic
    Message 1 of 24 , Jul 22, 2000
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      Hi folks!

      Thanks to Oliver for starting this list... I'm a fairly new to
      collecting Seleukid bronzes, and I enjoy studying the coinage of the
      other hellenistic monarchies as well. In fact, although I collect
      Seleukid coins, I'm studying the complete issues of Macedonian regal
      bronzes with the intention of publishing a corpus of all known varieties
      from Archelaus to D. Silanus (including Lysimachos, Eupolemos, and
      anyone else that can be tied in some fashion to rulers of Macedon
      proper). At this point, I'm not really doing anything original -- just
      cataloguing the data. However, I think a collation of the material can
      only help us to better understand the coinage, and eventually it might
      lead to a determination with some certainty of the mint locations as has
      been done with Seleukid coinage. Therefore, I'm always interested in
      hearing about (possibly) new varieties, however minor they might seem.

      Oh, if anyone would like to have a look, a few of my Seleukid coins can
      be seen at http://www.moneta.org/sel_img.

      So, do I get credit with the first post to this new list?

      Cheers!
      john
      --
      John C. Lavender
      taproot@...
      http://www.moneta.org
    • Oliver D. Hoover
      Thanks John and greetings all, A round of introuductions seems like a good idea. I m sure that we would all like to know our fellow list members and what has
      Message 2 of 24 , Jul 22, 2000
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        Thanks John and greetings all,

        A round of introuductions seems like a good idea. I'm sure that we would
        all like to know our fellow list members and what has led them to the
        fascinating world of the Seleucids and their contemporaries.

        I am your friendly neighborhood list epimeletes (moderator). I became
        interested in the Seleucids and hellenistic history generally about a
        decade ago and since then I have focused on them in my academic studies. I
        am particularly interested in the interaction between Seleukid king and
        native subject which has lately been put into the spotlight by the books of
        Sherwin-White and Kuhrt.

        My interest in the Seleukids has also led to the study their prodigious and
        extremely varied coinage. I have also begun a modest webpage with
        bibliography and links on the subject of Seleukid coins and history which
        can be viewed at:

        http://members.xoom.com/seleukids/seleukids.htm

        In my numismatic work I have been greatly indebted to the American
        Numismatic Society which holds the premier public collection of Seleukid
        coins (in large part the collection of E.T. Newell, the father of serious
        Seleukid numismatic study) in this country. Members of this list are
        encouraged to take advantage of the ANS database, including all of the
        Seleukid coins in the collection, at www.amnumsoc.org.

        It is hoped that this list will be a focus for individuals with similar
        interests, whether amature historian, scholar or coin collector. I am sure
        that we can all learn from one another. At the end of the day, that is the
        real goal of this list: to promote interest in and disseminate knowledge
        about a somewhat obscure and occasionally undervalued historical period.

        As for your question, John, a purple chlamys will be sent your way by royal
        post in the next few days.

        Again, welcome all!


        Oliver D. Hoover
        Epimeletes (seleukids@egroups.com)


        At 10:27 PM 7/22/00 -0400, you wrote:
        >Hi folks!
        >
        >Thanks to Oliver for starting this list... I'm a fairly new to
        >collecting Seleukid bronzes, and I enjoy studying the coinage of the
        >other hellenistic monarchies as well. In fact, although I collect
        >Seleukid coins, I'm studying the complete issues of Macedonian regal
        >bronzes with the intention of publishing a corpus of all known varieties
        >from Archelaus to D. Silanus (including Lysimachos, Eupolemos, and
        >anyone else that can be tied in some fashion to rulers of Macedon
        >proper). At this point, I'm not really doing anything original -- just
        >cataloguing the data. However, I think a collation of the material can
        >only help us to better understand the coinage, and eventually it might
        >lead to a determination with some certainty of the mint locations as has
        >been done with Seleukid coinage. Therefore, I'm always interested in
        >hearing about (possibly) new varieties, however minor they might seem.
        >
        >Oh, if anyone would like to have a look, a few of my Seleukid coins can
        >be seen at http://www.moneta.org/sel_img.
        >
        >So, do I get credit with the first post to this new list?
        >
        >Cheers!
        >john
        >--
        >John C. Lavender
        >taproot@...
        >http://www.moneta.org
        >
        >
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      • Oliver D. Hoover
        Thanks John and greetings all, A round of introuductions seems like a good idea. I m sure that we would all like to know our fellow list members and what has
        Message 3 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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          Thanks John and greetings all,

          A round of introuductions seems like a good idea. I'm sure that we would
          all like to know our fellow list members and what has led them to the
          fascinating world of the Seleucids and their contemporaries.

          I am your friendly neighborhood list epimeletes (moderator). I became
          interested in the Seleucids and hellenistic history generally about a
          decade ago and since then I have focused on them in my academic studies. I
          am particularly interested in the interaction between Seleukid king and
          native subject which has lately been put into the spotlight by the books of
          Sherwin-White and Kuhrt.

          My interest in the Seleukids has also led to the study their prodigious and
          extremely varied coinage. I have also begun a modest webpage with
          bibliography and links on the subject of Seleukid coins and history which
          can be viewed at:

          http://members.xoom.com/seleukids/seleukids.htm

          In my numismatic work I have been greatly indebted to the American
          Numismatic Society which holds the premier public collection of Seleukid
          coins (in large part the collection of E.T. Newell, the father of serious
          Seleukid numismatic study) in this country. Members of this list are
          encouraged to take advantage of the ANS database, including all of the
          Seleukid coins in the collection, at www.amnumsoc.org.

          It is hoped that this list will be a focus for individuals with similar
          interests, whether amature historian, scholar or coin collector. I am sure
          that we can all learn from one another. At the end of the day, that is the
          real goal of this list: to promote interest in and disseminate knowledge
          about a somewhat obscure and occasionally undervalued historical period.

          As for your question, John, a purple chlamys will be sent your way by royal
          post in the next few days.

          Again, welcome all!


          Oliver D. Hoover
          Epimeletes (seleukids@egroups.com)


          At 10:27 PM 7/22/00 -0400, you wrote:
          >Hi folks!
          >
          >Thanks to Oliver for starting this list... I'm a fairly new to
          >collecting Seleukid bronzes, and I enjoy studying the coinage of the
          >other hellenistic monarchies as well. In fact, although I collect
          >Seleukid coins, I'm studying the complete issues of Macedonian regal
          >bronzes with the intention of publishing a corpus of all known varieties
          >from Archelaus to D. Silanus (including Lysimachos, Eupolemos, and
          >anyone else that can be tied in some fashion to rulers of Macedon
          >proper). At this point, I'm not really doing anything original -- just
          >cataloguing the data. However, I think a collation of the material can
          >only help us to better understand the coinage, and eventually it might
          >lead to a determination with some certainty of the mint locations as has
          >been done with Seleukid coinage. Therefore, I'm always interested in
          >hearing about (possibly) new varieties, however minor they might seem.
          >
          >Oh, if anyone would like to have a look, a few of my Seleukid coins can
          >be seen at http://www.moneta.org/sel_img.
          >
          >So, do I get credit with the first post to this new list?
          >
          >Cheers!
          >john
          >--
          >John C. Lavender
          >taproot@...
          >http://www.moneta.org
          >
          >
          >
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        • David Elliott
          I am David Elliott, president of Reno Coin Club. I am finishing a collection of the Three Romes-Rome, Byzantium, and Russia, and about 6 years ago began
          Message 4 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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            I am David Elliott, president of Reno Coin Club. I am finishing a collection of
            the Three Romes-Rome, Byzantium, and Russia, and about 6 years ago began
            collecing Greek coins concentrating on the generals of Alexander. The
            Ptolemies, Lysimachus, Kassander, etc. came quickly and I fell in love with the
            Seleucids, who offered more variety and the bronzes can still be had for under
            $10 with excellent portraiture and a wide variety of reverses. I am still
            looking for Antiochus V, XI, Seleucis VI, and a portrait coin of Seleucis III,
            and, of course Molon.
            I have an academic background in Hellenistic philosophy and am interested in
            the cross fertilization of Greek and Oriental (Asia Minor) philosophies as
            first examined by Franz Cumont. I am currently pursuing my minor in Russian
            philosophy and history for another degree at the local university that has to
            instructor in ancient history. I am employed as director of mental health at
            the local Indian colony as I also have licenses as a marraige and substance
            abuse counselor. I have Newell, Houghton, etc. and have become very good at
            piecing together the fractured inscriptions on the bronzes. I snap up the
            bronzes I don't have as they come along and probably have about 200 coins
            counting the occasional silver that comes my way. If you have really ugly
            tetradrachms or drachms that need a nice home, I'm your man. I have almost a
            dozzen now I got under $100, including Antiochus, son of Seleucis IV.
          • John C. Lavender
            ... I ve added several more photo s of coins from my collection to the quoted url if anyone wants to have a look. Best regards, john -- John C. Lavender
            Message 5 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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              "John C. Lavender" wrote:

              > Oh, if anyone would like to have a look, a few of my Seleukid coins can
              > be seen at http://www.moneta.org/sel_img.

              I've added several more photo's of coins from my collection to the quoted
              url if anyone wants to have a look.

              Best regards,
              john
              --
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              taproot@...
              http://www.moneta.org
            • Alf
              Greetings ! I m Andrei Yurov, a graduate in Ancient History from Moscow. My spheres of specialization are - Hellenistic History, History of Ancient Greece and
              Message 6 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                Greetings !

                I'm Andrei Yurov, a graduate in Ancient History from Moscow.
                My spheres of specialization are - Hellenistic History, History of Ancient
                Greece and Rome, History of Early Christianity.
                The Seleucid empire seems to have influenced greatly on the whole political
                and cultural situation in the Eastern Mediterranean region in III- II B.C.
                The special character of Seleucid religious policy is also very significant.


                Andrei Yurov
                mailto:alf@...
              • David Meadows
                Wow ... this list just started? I came across it by accident yesterday while perusing various egroups searches. Anyhoo ... I m David Meadows, erstwhile
                Message 7 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                  Wow ... this list just started? I came across it by accident yesterday
                  while perusing various egroups searches.

                  Anyhoo ... I'm David Meadows, erstwhile 'schoolmate' of the moderator (and
                  I didn't know!), a moderator of several lists, owner of websites, and
                  teacher of elementary types. I'm on way too many lists, so I'll probably be
                  a lurker for the most part here.

                  dm
                • Adam D. Philippidis
                  Hi All, I am Adam Philippidis and my interests start with the Ptolemies, kissin cousins of the Seleucids. My interests center on Ptolemaic numismatics but all
                  Message 8 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                    Hi All,

                    I am Adam Philippidis and my interests start with the Ptolemies, kissin'
                    cousins of the Seleucids. My interests center on Ptolemaic numismatics but
                    all Ptolemaic history feeds the numismatics so that's why I'm here. Looks
                    like the rest of the gang's all here too: Hi John, Oliver, David, ...

                    Let me start things off with a basic numismatic question: I want to
                    research various aspects of Wesetrn Seleucid numismatics. I know of
                    Newell's book and Houghton's and a few other very basic works. If I have to
                    limit myself to the least numebr of books with the most coverage of the
                    subject which book is THE one book to get? How far off is teh
                    Houghton/Lorber GSC?

                    Next let me ask about one of my current areas of curiosity, the third
                    Syrian war. Is there any book devoted to a study this subject alone?

                    Regards to all,
                    Adam
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                    The House of Ptolemy http://www.houseofptolemy.org
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                    At 05:00 PM 23-07-2000 -0600, David Meadows wrote:
                    >Wow ... this list just started? I came across it by accident yesterday
                    >while perusing various egroups searches.
                    >
                    >Anyhoo ... I'm David Meadows, erstwhile 'schoolmate' of the moderator (and
                    >I didn't know!), a moderator of several lists, owner of websites, and
                    >teacher of elementary types. I'm on way too many lists, so I'll probably be
                    >a lurker for the most part here.
                    >
                    >dm
                    >
                    >
                  • David J. MacDonald
                    I am David MacDonald. I teach in the history department at Illinois State University. I am certainly no specialist in the Seleucids, but I am interested and
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                      I am David MacDonald. I teach in the history department at Illinois State
                      University. I am certainly no specialist in the Seleucids, but I am
                      interested and recognize their importance. In coins, I am particularly
                      interested in overstrikes and Indo-Greek coinage. The Indo-Greeks, of
                      course, frequently interacted with the Seleucids and the Parthians.

                      Mac
                      djmacdo@...
                    • Peter Green
                      Greetings to all fellow-members. I m Peter Green; like Graham Shipley, I ve written a general study on Hellenistic history, and till going emeritus I taught
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                        Greetings to all fellow-members. I'm Peter Green; like Graham Shipley,
                        I've written a general study on Hellenistic history, and till going
                        emeritus I taught Greek history (inter alia)at UT Austin. I'm now located
                        at the U. of Iowa's classics dept., where (inter alia) I edit Syllecta
                        Classica, for which I would welcome submissions on Hellenistic (or other)
                        historical topics (my referees have a three-week deadline, so you'd get
                        quick decisions). At present I'm working on a commentary to Diod. Sic.
                        xvi-xvii (the translation's done)--not quite Hellenistic, that, but I plan
                        to continue to Ipsus (and have already taken in xi-xiii). I'm particularly
                        interested in the interaction of literature and history in the 4-3 cents
                        BCE, and have already begun exploring this in my commentary on Apollonios
                        Rhodios. Looking forward to discussions.

                        Peter Green
                        Editor, Syllecta Classica
                        202A Schaeffer Hall (Dept. of Classics)
                        The University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
                        319-335-2323 (dept), 353-2274 (office),
                        341-9805/6573 (home); 335-2326 (fax)
                      • John C. Lavender
                        ... If you can wait, then I recommend GSC (additionally, Le Rider just came out with something similar, but having only taken a cursory look, it seems very
                        Message 11 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                          "Adam D. Philippidis" wrote:

                          > Let me start things off with a basic numismatic question: I want to
                          > research various aspects of Wesetrn Seleucid numismatics. I know of
                          > Newell's book and Houghton's and a few other very basic works. If I have to
                          > limit myself to the least numebr of books with the most coverage of the
                          > subject which book is THE one book to get? How far off is teh
                          > Houghton/Lorber GSC?

                          If you can wait, then I recommend GSC (additionally, Le Rider just came out with
                          something similar, but having only taken a cursory look, it seems very
                          complicated). Otherwise, SNG Israel 1: Arnold Spaer collection is very strong in
                          the western issues since most of his buying seems to have been from the local
                          dealers in Jerusalem. Of course, it is a sylloge, so there isn't any numismatic
                          discussion as you would find in Newell.

                          Speaking of books, has anyone seen for sale a copy of the French archaeological
                          report by Bernard on Aï Khanoum (i.e., vol. IV) or volumes of the journal
                          "Syria?"

                          Cheers,
                          john
                          --
                          John C. Lavender
                          taproot@...
                          http://www.moneta.org
                        • Oliver D. Hoover
                          Adam, As for the GSC, part I, which includes Seleucus I to Antiochus III should be out by the first quarter of 2001. Part II (Seleucus IV to the end of the
                          Message 12 of 24 , Jul 23, 2000
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                            Adam,

                            As for the GSC, part I, which includes Seleucus I to Antiochus III should
                            be out by the first quarter of 2001. Part II (Seleucus IV to the end of
                            the dynasty and the posthumous Philips of the Roman government at Antioch)
                            should appear about six months after that.

                            When you say you are interested in Western Seleucid numismatics, do you
                            have a particular area that you are focusing on, e.g. Seleucid Asia Minor
                            or Syria-Seleukis?

                            As far as I know there is no single book dealing with the Third Syrian War.
                            Your best bet is to look at the discussions and bibliographies of the
                            scanty evidence that can be found in Will, the CAH, and Green.
                            Incidentally, we now know the name of Berenike's murdered son from an
                            inscription at Kildara (SEG 42.994). It was Antiochus. Big surprise.

                            Oliver D. Hoover
                            Epimeletes (seleukids@egroups.com)


                            >Let me start things off with a basic numismatic question: I want to
                            >research various aspects of Wesetrn Seleucid numismatics. I know of
                            >Newell's book and Houghton's and a few other very basic works. If I have to
                            >limit myself to the least numebr of books with the most coverage of the
                            >subject which book is THE one book to get? How far off is teh
                            >Houghton/Lorber GSC?
                            >
                            >Next let me ask about one of my current areas of curiosity, the third
                            >Syrian war. Is there any book devoted to a study this subject alone?
                            >
                            >Regards to all,
                            >Adam
                          • Steve Balestra
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                            • David J. MacDonald
                              Peter Green! How nice to have such a distinguished member of the group! I have frequently used your Hellenistic history in classes--both I and the students
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jul 24, 2000
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                                Peter Green! How nice to have such a distinguished member of the group! I
                                have frequently used your Hellenistic history in classes--both I and the
                                students have enjoyed and benefitted from it.

                                Mac

                                At 11:10 PM 7/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
                                >Greetings to all fellow-members. I'm Peter Green; like Graham Shipley,
                                >I've written a general study on Hellenistic history, and till going
                                >emeritus I taught Greek history (inter alia)at UT Austin. I'm now located
                                >at the U. of Iowa's classics dept., where (inter alia) I edit Syllecta
                                >Classica, for which I would welcome submissions on Hellenistic (or other)
                                >historical topics (my referees have a three-week deadline, so you'd get
                                >quick decisions). At present I'm working on a commentary to Diod. Sic.
                                >xvi-xvii (the translation's done)--not quite Hellenistic, that, but I plan
                                >to continue to Ipsus (and have already taken in xi-xiii). I'm particularly
                                >interested in the interaction of literature and history in the 4-3 cents
                                >BCE, and have already begun exploring this in my commentary on Apollonios
                                >Rhodios. Looking forward to discussions.
                                >
                                >Peter Green
                                >Editor, Syllecta Classica
                                >202A Schaeffer Hall (Dept. of Classics)
                                >The University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242
                                >319-335-2323 (dept), 353-2274 (office),
                                >341-9805/6573 (home); 335-2326 (fax)
                                >
                                >
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                              • Stacie Hamilton
                                Greetings to all! Goodness, what a distinguished group! I m almost embarrassed to introduce myself ;) My name is Stacie Hamilton. I haven t finished my
                                Message 15 of 24 , Jul 24, 2000
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                                  Greetings to all!

                                  Goodness, what a distinguished group! I'm almost
                                  embarrassed to introduce myself ;) My name is Stacie
                                  Hamilton. I haven't finished my first degree yet, so
                                  I've got no string of letters behind my name, and I've
                                  never been published, unless you count my High School
                                  Literary Journal many years ago. I don't even own any
                                  Seleukid coins, my coin collection being almost
                                  exclusively Roman though I have started a _small_
                                  Ptolemaic collection. What I do have however, is an
                                  unbounded, raging curiosity about everything which
                                  through the magic of the internet I'm able to take
                                  great steps towards satisfying! I'm just getting
                                  started on my Seleukid studies so I shall probably
                                  only be contributing questions to this list. The
                                  first of which is this: Are there any maps online
                                  showing the division of Alexander's Empire after his
                                  death? Or perhaps showing the evolution of the
                                  successors' Empires?


                                  Stacie Hamilton
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                                  Teach! I learn.

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                                • Adam D. Philippidis
                                  Stacie, For a start see http://www.friesian.com/hist-1.htm#text-8 ... This is part of the page Hellenistic Monarchs to the Roman Empire page at URL
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Jul 24, 2000
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                                    Stacie,

                                    For a start see http://www.friesian.com/hist-1.htm#text-8
                                    --- The Seleucids, Macedonian Kings of Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc.</A>
                                    This is part of the page "Hellenistic Monarchs to the Roman Empire" page at
                                    URL http://www.friesian.com/hist-1.htm from the web site of the "Friesian
                                    School," a non-peer-reviewed electronic journal and archive of philosophy,
                                    inaugurated online 6 Jul 1996.

                                    Then you can see the pages I reference via
                                    http://www.houseofptolemy.org/housemap.htm#MAPS

                                    Bye,
                                    Adam



                                    At 09:54 AM 24-07-2000 -0700, Stacie Hamilton wrote:
                                    >Greetings to all!
                                    >
                                    > Goodness, what a distinguished group! I'm almost
                                    >embarrassed to introduce myself ;) My name is Stacie
                                    >Hamilton. I haven't finished my first degree yet, so
                                    >I've got no string of letters behind my name, and I've
                                    >never been published, unless you count my High School
                                    >Literary Journal many years ago. I don't even own any
                                    >Seleukid coins, my coin collection being almost
                                    >exclusively Roman though I have started a _small_
                                    >Ptolemaic collection. What I do have however, is an
                                    >unbounded, raging curiosity about everything which
                                    >through the magic of the internet I'm able to take
                                    >great steps towards satisfying! I'm just getting
                                    >started on my Seleukid studies so I shall probably
                                    >only be contributing questions to this list. The
                                    >first of which is this: Are there any maps online
                                    >showing the division of Alexander's Empire after his
                                    >death? Or perhaps showing the evolution of the
                                    >successors' Empires?
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >Stacie Hamilton
                                    >-------------------------------------------------------
                                    >Speak! I listen.
                                    >Teach! I learn.
                                    >
                                    >

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                                  • Henry Pashkow
                                    Greetings to all: I work as a case manager at a homeless shelter. I ve lurked on the Ancien-L list for just about two years. I may have sent one or two
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Jul 24, 2000
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                                      Greetings to all:

                                      I work as a case manager at a homeless shelter.

                                      I've lurked on the Ancien-L list for just about two years. I may have sent
                                      one or two messages to the list during the entire time. I joined this list
                                      when I saw the invitation on Ancien-L.

                                      My main interest is philosophy. I'm on the John Dewey Discussion List. I
                                      never studied that in college, but now I do as much reading as I can, and
                                      do participate, to an extent, on that list. It's not an easy subject, but
                                      the struggle to understand it is well worth it to me. One reason I'm
                                      interested in history, other than that it's so interesting in its own
                                      right, is that I couldn't make sense of philosophy outside of a historical
                                      context.

                                      I never made any formal study of these subjects, outside of a few history
                                      courses in college (a while ago). I can't tell you what a pleasure it is
                                      to listen in on your erudite conversations.

                                      Thanks for doing what you're doing!

                                      Henry Pashkow
                                      Philadelphia, PA
                                    • Ronald Wallenfels
                                      Dear list members: I am an Assyriologist, with extensive training in art-history, who works in, for what is to me, the Late Period, that is the Achaemenid
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Jul 25, 2000
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                                        Dear list members:

                                        I am an Assyriologist, with extensive training in art-history, who works
                                        in, for what is to me, the "Late Period," that is the Achaemenid and
                                        Hellenistic dynasties. The bulk of my published scholarly work has been
                                        in the area of Macedonian and Seleucid glyptic as evidenced by seal
                                        impressions on Akkadian-language cuneiform tablets and on anepigraphic
                                        bullae and cretulae from Babylonia, the heart of the Seleucid Empire.
                                        Current projects include a catalogue raisonne of seal impressions on
                                        bullae from Seleucid Uruk in the Yale Babylonian Collection and a
                                        collaborative study with Dr. Alice Slotsky of a corpus of Seleucid and
                                        Arsacid Babylonian cuneiform price lists of staple commodities, whose
                                        relationship to those known from the astronomical diaries remains to be
                                        determined. I also teach part-time at NYU -- Dept. of Hebrew and Judaic
                                        Studies (Akkadian; history of the ANE) and do freelance editing.

                                        The Seleucid Empire, like the Achaemenid before it, was an enormous
                                        construct that requires a really diverse group of scholars in order to
                                        treat of ts extraordinary complexities. I look forward to some really
                                        constructive communications. Good luck to us all!

                                        Yours,

                                        Ron
                                        -------------------------------------
                                        Ronald Wallenfels, Ph.D.
                                        Fair Haven, NJ
                                        wallenfels@...
                                      • Charles E. Jones
                                        Can anyone on this list provide me with an address - postal or e-mail (or other?) - for John D. Grainger? Many thanks in advance. -Chuck Jones-
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Jul 25, 2000
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                                          Can anyone on this list provide me with an address - postal or e-mail (or
                                          other?) - for John D. Grainger?

                                          Many thanks in advance.

                                          -Chuck Jones-
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                                          Research Associate - Bibliographer
                                          The Oriental Institute - Chicago
                                          1155 E. 58th St. Chicago IL 60637-1569
                                          USA
                                          Voice (773) 702-9537 Fax (773) 702-9853
                                          ce-jones@...
                                          http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/Research_Arch.html
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                                        • James M. McGarigle
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                                            "John C. Lavender" wrote:

                                            > "John C. Lavender" wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > Oh, if anyone would like to have a look, a few of my Seleukid coins can
                                            > > be seen at http://www.moneta.org/sel_img.
                                            >

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                                            >
                                            > John C. Lavender
                                            > taproot@...
                                            > http://www.moneta.org

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                                          • donald
                                            List- I am identifying myself late, but better late than never. I am head of the State of Israel ancient coin collection (100,000 coins), mostly from
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Sep 5 12:46 AM
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                                              List-
                                               
                                              I am identifying myself late, but better late than never.
                                               
                                              I am head of the State of Israel ancient coin collection (100,000 coins), mostly from excavations. The seleucid component is not great, but because the excavated material, and the hoards, are provenanced, they are relatively important.
                                               
                                              Besides my work with coins I have a number of other interests; most intersect the Hellenistic period. I have published not insignificantly on stamped amphora handles (mostly Rhodian), and am now part of the bullae publication team for the new hoard of bullae found at Tel Kedesh (ancient Kadasa, in northern Israel, close to the Lebanese border). So my interests are mainly
                                              archaeological/chronological and stratigraphical, and not art-historical.
                                              At Tel Kedesh, in the past two seasons, an archive room was found. All that remained were approx. 2000 bullae--clay sealings fired in the destruction of the site well-dated to 145 BCE.
                                               
                                              I have discussed some of these bullae already with some members of this list. There is one bulla found this season with six line of inscription, five in Phoenician, and one in Greek. The Greek line is found on either side of a caduceus, and reads: KOINO - DH[
                                              After the eta there are signs of another letter, which I believe is M. After that there is room for about two additional letters, and I reconstruct the inscription to read:  KOINODHMOY or KOINODHMIOY.
                                               
                                              Both words appear in Liddel & Scott. Their meaning would fit an official bulla such as this. I am writing to ask if anyone can refer me to usages of the word in the Phoenician sphere. I haven't yet checked TLG. Regardless, I thought it may be interesting to share this, and see if the institution of KOINODHMOY (or KOINODHMIOY) is known to any of you Hellenistic period historians/ numismatists.
                                               
                                              Yours,
                                              Donald T. Ariel
                                              Head, Coin Department
                                              Israel Antiquities Authority
                                              POB 586
                                              Jerusalem 91004 ISRAEL
                                            • Edward C. D. Hopkins
                                              Dear Donald, I m not sure this is on-topic for the Seleucid list, but I ll answer on-list with apologies in advance. I would be very interested to learn about
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Sep 5 9:49 AM
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                                                Dear Donald,

                                                I'm not sure this is on-topic for the Seleucid list, but I'll answer on-list
                                                with apologies in advance.

                                                I would be very interested to learn about Parthian and Parthia-related coins
                                                in your care. Are there any at all? The close connection between the Jews
                                                and Parthians at several points in history should argue for more material
                                                existing to document the relationships.

                                                Your thoughts much appreciated. Thank you.

                                                Cheers,

                                                Chris Hopkins
                                                www.parthia.com

                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: donald
                                                To: seleukids
                                                Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:46 AM
                                                Subject: Re: [seleukids] Nice to meet everyone

                                                List-

                                                I am identifying myself late, but better late than never.

                                                I am head of the State of Israel ancient coin collection (100,000 coins),
                                                mostly from excavations. The seleucid component is not great, but because
                                                the excavated material, and the hoards, are provenanced, they are relatively
                                                important.

                                                Besides my work with coins I have a number of other interests; most
                                                intersect the Hellenistic period. I have published not insignificantly on
                                                stamped amphora handles (mostly Rhodian), and am now part of the bullae
                                                publication team for the new hoard of bullae found at Tel Kedesh (ancient
                                                Kadasa, in northern Israel, close to the Lebanese border). So my interests
                                                are mainly
                                                archaeological/chronological and stratigraphical, and not art-historical.

                                                At Tel Kedesh, in the past two seasons, an archive room was found. All that
                                                remained were approx. 2000 bullae--clay sealings fired in the destruction of
                                                the site well-dated to 145 BCE.

                                                I have discussed some of these bullae already with some members of this
                                                list. There is one bulla found this season with six line of inscription,
                                                five in Phoenician, and one in Greek. The Greek line is found on either side
                                                of a caduceus, and reads: KOINO - DH[
                                                After the eta there are signs of another letter, which I believe is M. After
                                                that there is room for about two additional letters, and I reconstruct the
                                                inscription to read: KOINODHMOY or KOINODHMIOY.

                                                Both words appear in Liddel & Scott. Their meaning would fit an official
                                                bulla such as this. I am writing to ask if anyone can refer me to usages of
                                                the word in the Phoenician sphere. I haven't yet checked TLG. Regardless, I
                                                thought it may be interesting to share this, and see if the institution of
                                                KOINODHMOY (or KOINODHMIOY) is known to any of you Hellenistic period
                                                historians/ numismatists.

                                                Yours,
                                                Donald T. Ariel
                                                Head, Coin Department
                                                Israel Antiquities Authority
                                                POB 586
                                                Jerusalem 91004 ISRAEL
                                              • Oliver D. Hoover
                                                ... There is no need for apologies. Although the Seleucids are of special interest here, this list is intended to facilitate the discussion of all things
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Sep 5 8:17 PM
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                                                  At 12:49 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >I'm not sure this is on-topic for the Seleucid list, but I'll answer on-list
                                                  >with apologies in advance.
                                                  >


                                                  There is no need for apologies. Although the Seleucids are of special
                                                  interest here, this list is intended to facilitate the discussion of all
                                                  things Hellenistic. Parthians and Jews certainly fall into this category.

                                                  Oliver D. Hoover
                                                  Epimeletes (seleukids@onelist.com)
                                                • R.J. van der Spek
                                                  On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:46:54 -0000 ... Dear Donald, Actually I have no answer to your question about koinodêmiou, but a question about the date. You say
                                                  Message 24 of 24 , Sep 8 6:48 AM
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                                                    On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:46:54 -0000
                                                    "donald" <donald@...> wrote:
                                                    > List-
                                                    >
                                                    > I am identifying myself late, but better late than never.
                                                    >
                                                    > I am head of the State of Israel ancient coin collection
                                                    > (100,000 coins), mostly from excavations. The seleucid
                                                    > component is not great, but because the excavated
                                                    > material, and the hoards, are provenanced, they are
                                                    > relatively important.
                                                    >
                                                    > Besides my work with coins I have a number of other
                                                    > interests; most intersect the Hellenistic period. I have
                                                    > published not insignificantly on stamped amphora handles
                                                    > (mostly Rhodian), and am now part of the bullae
                                                    > publication team for the new hoard of bullae found at Tel
                                                    > Kedesh (ancient Kadasa, in northern Israel, close to the
                                                    > Lebanese border). So my interests are mainly
                                                    > archaeological/chronological and stratigraphical, and not
                                                    > art-historical.
                                                    >
                                                    > At Tel Kedesh, in the past two seasons, an archive room
                                                    > was found. All that remained were approx. 2000
                                                    > bullae--clay sealings fired in the destruction of the
                                                    > site well-dated to 145 BCE.
                                                    >
                                                    > I have discussed some of these bullae already with some
                                                    > members of this list. There is one bulla found this
                                                    > season with six line of inscription, five in Phoenician,
                                                    > and one in Greek. The Greek line is found on either side
                                                    > of a caduceus, and reads: KOINO - DH[
                                                    > After the eta there are signs of another letter, which I
                                                    > believe is M. After that there is room for about two
                                                    > additional letters, and I reconstruct the inscription to
                                                    > read: KOINODHMOY or KOINODHMIOY.
                                                    >
                                                    > Both words appear in Liddel & Scott. Their meaning would
                                                    > fit an official bulla such as this. I am writing to ask
                                                    > if anyone can refer me to usages of the word in the
                                                    > Phoenician sphere. I haven't yet checked TLG. Regardless,
                                                    > I thought it may be interesting to share this, and see if
                                                    > the institution of KOINODHMOY (or KOINODHMIOY) is known
                                                    > to any of you Hellenistic period historians/
                                                    > numismatists.
                                                    >
                                                    > Yours,
                                                    > Donald T. Ariel
                                                    > Head, Coin Department
                                                    > Israel Antiquities Authority
                                                    > POB 586
                                                    > Jerusalem 91004 ISRAEL

                                                    Dear Donald,

                                                    Actually I have no answer to your question about
                                                    koinodêmiou, but a question about the date. You say
                                                    that Tel Kedesh was destroyed in 145 BC. How did you arrive
                                                    at this date? It is attractive to connect this event with
                                                    the accession of Demetrius II in 145 BC, which period saw
                                                    the invasion of Ptolemaic troops under Ptolemy VI, his death
                                                    and the death of Alexander Balas, and the reconquest of
                                                    Syria/Palestine by Demtetrius II. See Strabo 16.751,
                                                    Josephus 13.120, 1 Macc. 11:1-19.
                                                    We have now new information about these events in the so
                                                    called astronomical diaries from Babylon, which states that
                                                    the Babylonian astronomers heard in sept/oct. 145 BC that
                                                    Demetrius marched around victoriously in Egypt (which must
                                                    refer to the reconquest of Syr./Pal.). This means that the
                                                    event took place in, say, August. See my discussion of the
                                                    text in Archiv fuer Orientforschung 44/45 (1997/98) 170f.
                                                    Is it possible to relate any of these events to the
                                                    destruction of Tel Kedesh?

                                                    Best regards,
                                                    Bert van der Spek



                                                    Prof.dr. R.J. van der Spek
                                                    Vrije Universiteit
                                                    Faculteit der Letteren
                                                    De Boelelaan 1105
                                                    1081 HV AMSTERDAM
                                                    Tel.: +31 20 4446490
                                                    Fax.: +31 20 4446500
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