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RE: [scrumdevelopment] SCRUMWorks

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  • Steven Ropa
    I don t know SCRUMWorks, but I use VersionOne. I wouldn t say it automate anything. It is an excellent way to manage your backlog. We use it for storing
    Message 1 of 7 , Aug 29, 2005
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      I don’t know SCRUMWorks, but I use VersionOne.  I wouldn’t say it “automate” anything.  It is an excellent way to manage your backlog.  We use it for storing all items, sprint planning, sprint tracking, etc.  I find it to strike a very nice balance when it comes to using a tool.  Just enough to be useful, but you don’t become a slave to your tool either.

       

      Steve

       


      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Steven Leydorf
      Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:41 AM
      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [scrumdevelopment] SCRUMWorks

       

      Hi.

      Does anyone know what exactly SCRUMWorks and VersionOne automates?  I see the websites that advertise them, but it is still unclear exactly what it does.

      Thanks.


    • morri027
      We use VersionOne as well. It hasn t made that much difference in the lives of the developers - index cards work just as well. But it has made a huge
      Message 2 of 7 , Aug 29, 2005
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        We use VersionOne as well. It hasn't made that much difference in
        the lives of the developers - index cards work just as well. But it
        has made a huge difference for me as the manager of a development
        group. Before VersionOne, we were tracking progress in
        spreadsheets. I could see burndown for a single sprint, but I
        couldn't really see progress over multiple sprints to get a good
        measure of team velocity. Plus, every team wanted to add something
        fancy to their spreadsheet, so I spent a lot of time reconciling
        data. With VersionOne, all the data goes in a database, which you
        can query directly, if you want. The greatest benefit of using a
        tool like VersionOne is that it gives you the reports and graphs you
        need to make the big-wigs feel safe. Sad, but true.

        --- In scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Ropa"
        <steven.ropa@e...> wrote:
        > I don't know SCRUMWorks, but I use VersionOne. I wouldn't say it
        > "automate" anything. It is an excellent way to manage your
        backlog. We
        > use it for storing all items, sprint planning, sprint tracking,
        etc. I
        > find it to strike a very nice balance when it comes to using a
        tool.
        > Just enough to be useful, but you don't become a slave to your tool
        > either.
        >
        >
        >
        > Steve
        >
        >
        >
        > _____
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        > Hi.
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        > Does anyone know what exactly SCRUMWorks and VersionOne
        automates? I
        > see the websites that advertise them, but it is still unclear
        exactly
        > what it does.
        >
        > Thanks.
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      • Steven Ropa
        I think you do a great job describing it. I also have used the charts to make the bigwigs feel good. I also like the ability to have the tests listed with the
        Message 3 of 7 , Aug 29, 2005
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          I think you do a great job describing it.  I also have used the charts to make the bigwigs feel good. I also like the ability to have the tests listed with the backlog items.  We are a slightly distributed team, so index cards don’t quite work out.

           

          I don’t mind the fact that the big wigs want to see the charts and feel safe.  Since I have V1 there, its no skin off my nose.  However, I did have to slap one PM down when he got all upset that the “green bar” of tasks done was not in line with the moving date of where we are in the sprint…

           

          Steve

           

           


          From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of morri027
          Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:23 AM
          To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [scrumdevelopment] Re: SCRUMWorks

           

          We use VersionOne as well.  It hasn't made that much difference in
          the lives of the developers - index cards work just as well.  But it
          has made a huge difference for me as the manager of a development
          group.  Before VersionOne, we were tracking progress in
          spreadsheets.  I could see burndown for a single sprint, but I
          couldn't really see progress over multiple sprints to get a good
          measure of team velocity.  Plus, every team wanted to add something
          fancy to their spreadsheet, so I spent a lot of time reconciling
          data.  With VersionOne, all the data goes in a database, which you
          can query directly, if you want.  The greatest benefit of using a
          tool like VersionOne is that it gives you the reports and graphs you
          need to make the big-wigs feel safe.  Sad, but true.

          --- In scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com , "Steven Ropa"
          <steven.ropa@e...> wrote:
          > I don't know SCRUMWorks, but I use VersionOne.  I wouldn't say it
          > "automate" anything.  It is an excellent way to manage your
          backlog.  We
          > use it for storing all items, sprint planning, sprint tracking,
          etc.  I
          > find it to strike a very nice balance when it comes to using a
          tool.
          > Just enough to be useful, but you don't become a slave to your tool
          > either.
          >

          >
          > Steve
          >

          >
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          > [mailto: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Steven
          Leydorf
          > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:41 AM
          > To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [scrumdevelopment] SCRUMWorks
          >

          >
          > Hi.
          >
          > Does anyone know what exactly SCRUMWorks and VersionOne
          automates?  I
          > see the websites that advertise them, but it is still unclear
          exactly
          > what it does.
          >
          > Thanks.
          >
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        • velocity
          I ve been using Scrumworks for 2 months now and I like it. It does not really get in the way of maintaining your backlog items and sprint items. The burndown
          Message 4 of 7 , Aug 29, 2005
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            I've been using Scrumworks for 2 months now and I like it. It does not really get in the way of maintaining your backlog items and sprint items. The burndown chart is a nice touch. An export function is also there for those times you just have to have something else on the chart or an extra column.

            caveat, I'm very new to practicing scrum. Learned most of it from Ken and Mike's book as well as the posts on this group. We're in our first scrum and second sprint. So I'm no big expert at all with both scrum and the tool scrumworks. But for what its worth, i find the tool to be immensely helpful.

            Thanks to Danube for giving me a 25 year license at no cost. :-)

            The support is also there through a forum.

            Joben

            On 8/30/05, Steven Ropa <steven.ropa@...> wrote:

            backlog.  We
            > use it for storing all items, sprint planning, sprint tracking,
            etc.  I
            > find it to strike a very nice balance when it comes to using a
            tool.
            > Just enough to be useful, but you don't become a slave to your tool
            > either.


          • Simon Baker
            ScrumWorks and VersionOne do not really automate in the sense of automated builds or running automated tests. However, as planning and tracking tools they do
            Message 5 of 7 , Aug 30, 2005
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              ScrumWorks and VersionOne do not really automate in the sense of automated builds or
              running automated tests. However, as planning and tracking tools they do produce various
              charts based on the user story/task/iteration/release/project data, e.g. burndown charts. I
              suppose since these charts are visibile on the dashboard pages, you can consider them
              automatically generated.

              Simon Baker
            • Jeff Martin
              I looked at ScrumWorks and VersionOne and liked them both, but they were just a little too much for me. I found ExtremePlanner (www.extremeplanner.com) and
              Message 6 of 7 , Aug 31, 2005
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                I looked at ScrumWorks and VersionOne and liked them both, but they were just a little too much for me.  I found ExtremePlanner (www.extremeplanner.com) and love it.  It is very simple and does only the things I want to do. 


                From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of velocity
                Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:13 PM
                To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: SCRUMWorks

                I've been using Scrumworks for 2 months now and I like it. It does not really get in the way of maintaining your backlog items and sprint items. The burndown chart is a nice touch. An export function is also there for those times you just have to have something else on the chart or an extra column.

                caveat, I'm very new to practicing scrum. Learned most of it from Ken and Mike's book as well as the posts on this group. We're in our first scrum and second sprint. So I'm no big expert at all with both scrum and the tool scrumworks. But for what its worth, i find the tool to be immensely helpful.

                Thanks to Danube for giving me a 25 year license at no cost. :-)

                The support is also there through a forum.

                Joben

                On 8/30/05, Steven Ropa <steven.ropa@...> wrote:

                backlog.  We
                > use it for storing all items, sprint planning, sprint tracking,
                etc.  I
                > find it to strike a very nice balance when it comes to using a
                tool.
                > Just enough to be useful, but you don't become a slave to your tool
                > either.


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