Re: Pigs are offensive? :: absolut not tolerable misbehave
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Brad Grant" <bradg@c...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, Paul CarvalhoBrad, I personally disagree. I think there is more going on here than
> <tester.paul@g...> wrote:
> > Regretfully, I don't think that I can participate in any future
> > discussions on this group, so I will gladly leave.
> Thank you, based on your contributions I think that best serves the
> group at large.
> Brad Grant
> CSM - St. Louis, MO
one (or two) individuals' attitude problems.
I think we have just seen an example of what happens when we develop a
private language, invite the public in to discuss, and fail to reveal
the meaning and intention of our language.
Higher up in this thread, Paul (clearly offended) started out with:
> WTF is all this Pig and Chicken crap? I don't know enoughI wasn't online and didn't see this thread start. Unfortunately, no
> about Scrum to follow along with this conversation properly.
one posted back with the story of the chicken and the pig, for
context. (maybe someone did offline?)
He also asked:
> Which does Scrum emphasize with these labels?I didn't see an answer to that one either. So:
> The positive or the negative?
Paul, the illustrative story of the chicken and the pig can be found
here, along with some past discussion on the topic of these terms:
It talks about colleagues, partners in an enterprise, albeit with
different levels of accountability for the outcome :-)
I'm not sure what happened with this thread - it seems to have
escalated rather quickly. Well, it happens. I've been guilty of it
too. Let's all please check our tempers before hitting Send, ok? And
readers, feel free to jump in and help out a thread in trouble
(thanks, Hubert, for doing so). This list is a collaborative effort :-)
Paul, Henning, thanks for (unwittingly) providing an object lesson in
the potential problem of "private languages", which we have discussed
here before, I think. Hope it didn't hurt too much!
On a somewhat different note: for the record, I met Paul at a weekend
workshop (run using the LAWST pattern), and was impressed by his
committment to working in an Agile manner. I invited him to join this
list, to bring a tester's expertise to our discussions of Scrum, and
to benefit from our collected experience.
I think we'll lose the benefit of synergy if we turn this list into an
"Agile PM" ghetto. We need diversity and discourse. Paul has done some
interesting agile guerilla work, and has contributions to make here,
Hands up: everyone who's messed up publicly on this list? (I recall
posting an offlist email to the whole list - doh! and worse...) Paul,
I'd invite you to lurk or participate or leave, as you wish.
PS: Paul, I have bad news for you: Ken has a "squirrel burger" story,
too (I've only heard it 2nd hand). We'll have to get him to write it
down - it's sure to cause another uproar! :-)