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  • Jean Richardson
    I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations. There s plenty of
    Message 1 of 14 , May 30 9:23 AM
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      I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

       

      I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

       

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    • Mark Levison
      Talk to Clinton Keith - he s a Scrum Trainer focused on the games industry and knows them quite well. Yes the handbook is quite real and the company really
      Message 2 of 14 , May 30 10:14 AM
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        Talk to Clinton Keith - he's a Scrum Trainer focused on the games industry and knows them quite well. Yes the handbook is quite real and the company really does have a very flat org structure. In addition many of their ideas pre-date Scrum. As for a case study, I'm not aware of one, why don't you be the one to write it :-)

        Cheers
        Mark Levison

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        On Wednesday, May 30, 2012, Jean Richardson wrote:
         

        I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

         

        I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

         

        --- Jean

         

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        Jean Richardson

        Azure Gate Consulting

        ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

         

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      • Dave Rooney
        Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April:
        Message 3 of 14 , May 30 10:25 AM
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          Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

          Dave...

          On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:
           

          I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

           

          I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

           

          --- Jean

           

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          Jean Richardson

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        • Ram Srinivasan
          Jean: Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning s article
          Message 4 of 14 , May 30 11:51 AM
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            Jean:

            Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning's article


            Ram

            On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Rooney <daverooneyca@...> wrote:
             

            Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

            Dave...



            On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:
             

            I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

             

            I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

             

            --- Jean

             

            Description: gate.site.jpg


            Jean Richardson

            Azure Gate Consulting

            ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

             

            AzureGate.net

            (503) 788-8998

            Jean@...

             

             

             



          • Jean Richardson
            Mark and Dave - Thanks for this. Both posts are helpful, and I ve reached out to Clint as a result. If anyone is aware of any other currently functioning
            Message 5 of 14 , May 31 1:30 PM
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              Mark and Dave –

               

              Thanks for this.  Both posts are helpful, and I’ve reached out to Clint as a result.

               

              If anyone is aware of any other currently functioning team-based orgs in the mid- to large size, I’m all eyes on that to!

               

              --- Jean

               

              From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rooney
              Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:26 AM
              To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

               

               

              Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

              Dave...

              On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

               

              I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

               

              I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

               

              --- Jean

               

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              Jean Richardson

              Azure Gate Consulting

              ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

               

              AzureGate.net

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              Jean@...

               

               

               

               

            • Mark Levison
              ... Sorry slightly confused as to what you re asking for. This sounds like a request for a list of all case studies for any organization doing Scrum (or other
              Message 6 of 14 , May 31 5:08 PM
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                On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:
                 

                Mark and Dave –

                 

                Thanks for this.  Both posts are helpful, and I’ve reached out to Clint as a result.

                 

                If anyone is aware of any other currently functioning team-based orgs in the mid- to large size, I’m all eyes on that to!


                Sorry slightly confused as to what you're asking for. This sounds like a request for a list of all case studies for any organization doing Scrum (or other Agile) process. Is that it?

                Cheers
                Mark 

                 

                --- Jean

                 

                From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rooney
                Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:26 AM
                To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                 

                 

                Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                Dave...

                On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                 

                I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                 

                I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                 

                --- Jean

                 

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                Jean Richardson

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              • Jesse Houwing
                I think the means she’s looking for other organisations that use a similar orgizational model, so flat, everybody can decide where and what to do etc. From
                Message 7 of 14 , Jun 1, 2012
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                  I think the means she’s looking for other organisations that use a similar orgizational model, so flat, everybody can decide where and what to do etc.
                   
                  From our training material I remember Semco as an example company that used this model in hopes to avoid bankruptcy. They managed to do so. There’s even books about it.
                   
                   
                  I expect there to be others as well.
                   
                  Jesse
                   
                  Sent from my Windows 8 PC
                   
                  From: Ram Srinivasan <vasan.ram@...>
                  Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:21:43 PM
                  To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software
                   


                  Jean:

                  Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning's article


                  Ram

                  On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Rooney <daverooneyca@...> wrote:
                   

                  Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                  Dave...



                  On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:
                   

                   

                  I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                   

                  I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                   

                  --- Jean

                   

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                  Jean Richardson

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                  Jean@...

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   

                   



                   
                • Jean Richardson
                  Mark - Thanks for asking. I perhaps should have been more clear. I would not say that most, maybe even many, of those organizations doing Scrum are team-based
                  Message 8 of 14 , Jun 1, 2012
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                    Mark –

                     

                    Thanks for asking.  I perhaps should have been more clear.

                     

                    I would not say that most, maybe even many, of those organizations doing Scrum are team-based organizations, though they do make use of teams.  Organizations have been using teams well before Scrum came on the scene.  In a team-based organization, I would expect to see a different accountability model, a different approach to authority and leadership, and a different kind of governance model than has been the case traditionally.  Scrum foreshadows team-based organizations and, in some of the writing about Scrum, the assumption that team-based organizations are present or have been emerging seems to underlie the thinking of the writer.  However, in practice, outside even most high functioning Scrum teams, the approach to authority, accountability, and governance is pretty much the same as it was before Scrum came on the scene.

                     

                    I am seeking organizations where Teams are actively involved in governing the organization, the accountability model is such that the natural accountabilities of all participants are taken for granted, and “nominal leaders” or managers outside the team are typically functioning within a facilitative servant leadership or stewardship model.  I am seeking organizations where individual contributors on teams have real influence and experience direct line outcomes of their actions.  These organizations will likely prefer direct, respectful communication and assertive, collaborative styles.  You may see team level performance evaluations composed largely of something along the lines of a 360 review by peers with management input.  You may see individual contributor compensation enhanced by team-performance-driven bonuses.  You may see largely governing their own composition and signing up for work to benefit the organization based on some sort of portfolio level project intake mechanism.  Most of all, the employee/employer dynamic will feel very different in these organizations.

                     

                    --- Jean

                     

                    From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Levison
                    Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:09 PM
                    To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                     

                     

                     

                    On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                     

                    Mark and Dave –

                     

                    Thanks for this.  Both posts are helpful, and I’ve reached out to Clint as a result.

                     

                    If anyone is aware of any other currently functioning team-based orgs in the mid- to large size, I’m all eyes on that to!

                     

                    Sorry slightly confused as to what you're asking for. This sounds like a request for a list of all case studies for any organization doing Scrum (or other Agile) process. Is that it?

                     

                    Cheers

                    Mark 

                     

                    --- Jean

                     

                    From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rooney
                    Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:26 AM
                    To:
                    scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                     

                     

                    Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                    Dave...

                    On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                     

                    I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                     

                    I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                     

                    --- Jean

                     

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                  • Dietke Fowler
                    Jean, Thanks for elaborating - your description and glancing over the Valve handbook actually made it a lot more clear to me how my current job is structured.
                    Message 9 of 14 , Jun 1, 2012
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                      Jean,

                       

                      Thanks for elaborating - your description and glancing over the Valve handbook actually made it a lot more clear to me how my current job is structured. Working for a company with about 90 employees for the past 4 months, I have not been told what to work on. I have heard suggestions, but they were always followed by "but only if you are interested and think that's a good fit". We are given some overarching goals, but it is up to us to come up with ideas on how to reach them, and to structure our work in such a way that we will reach them. I do have a team lead who is there to help remove impediments and help me out when I feel stuck, but that's about it - simply help me be more effective.

                       

                      Is that approximately what you are looking for?

                       

                      Tx

                      Dietke

                       

                       

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                      (706) 614-0604

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                      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean Richardson
                      Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 2:15 PM
                      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                       

                       

                      Mark –

                       

                      Thanks for asking.  I perhaps should have been more clear.

                       

                      I would not say that most, maybe even many, of those organizations doing Scrum are team-based organizations, though they do make use of teams.  Organizations have been using teams well before Scrum came on the scene.  In a team-based organization, I would expect to see a different accountability model, a different approach to authority and leadership, and a different kind of governance model than has been the case traditionally.  Scrum foreshadows team-based organizations and, in some of the writing about Scrum, the assumption that team-based organizations are present or have been emerging seems to underlie the thinking of the writer.  However, in practice, outside even most high functioning Scrum teams, the approach to authority, accountability, and governance is pretty much the same as it was before Scrum came on the scene.

                       

                      I am seeking organizations where Teams are actively involved in governing the organization, the accountability model is such that the natural accountabilities of all participants are taken for granted, and “nominal leaders” or managers outside the team are typically functioning within a facilitative servant leadership or stewardship model.  I am seeking organizations where individual contributors on teams have real influence and experience direct line outcomes of their actions.  These organizations will likely prefer direct, respectful communication and assertive, collaborative styles.  You may see team level performance evaluations composed largely of something along the lines of a 360 review by peers with management input.  You may see individual contributor compensation enhanced by team-performance-driven bonuses.  You may see largely governing their own composition and signing up for work to benefit the organization based on some sort of portfolio level project intake mechanism.  Most of all, the employee/employer dynamic will feel very different in these organizations.

                       

                      --- Jean

                       

                      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Levison
                      Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:09 PM
                      To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                       

                       

                       

                      On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                       

                      Mark and Dave –

                       

                      Thanks for this.  Both posts are helpful, and I’ve reached out to Clint as a result.

                       

                      If anyone is aware of any other currently functioning team-based orgs in the mid- to large size, I’m all eyes on that to!

                       

                      Sorry slightly confused as to what you're asking for. This sounds like a request for a list of all case studies for any organization doing Scrum (or other Agile) process. Is that it?

                       

                      Cheers

                      Mark 

                       

                      --- Jean

                       

                      From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rooney
                      Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:26 AM
                      To:
                      scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                       

                       

                      Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                      Dave...

                      On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                       

                      I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                       

                      I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                       

                      --- Jean

                       

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                    • Michael James
                      Yeah, Jean s aware of Semco, one that typically comes up, and we ve certainly been hearing a lot about Valve s employee handbook lately. I suspect the reason
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                        Yeah, Jean's aware of Semco, one that typically comes up, and we've certainly been hearing a lot about Valve's employee handbook lately.  I suspect the reason we hear the same examples over and over is that there really aren't many examples of large organizations fully embracing the philosophy Jean describes yet.  Some of the others we hear about as success stories from the consultant or author's perspective turn out to be mirages according to people working there, or their future performance.  I'm reluctant to name them here, but you can probably think of three or four examples.  

                        Many Scrum implementations are so compromised they come nowhere near Scrum's actual definitions.  Other cases of actual Scrum in large organizations are small islands cordoned off from the larger org's legacy practices.

                        If all the above are true, what would it mean?  Kent Beck wrote that it took 50 years for Lean Manufacturing to become common practice.  Are we 15 years into a 50-year adoption cycle?  Or are small organizations going to eat large organizations for lunch?

                        --mj
                        http://ScrumTrainingSeries.com

                        On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Jesse Houwing wrote:

                         

                        I think the means she’s looking for other organisations that use a similar orgizational model, so flat, everybody can decide where and what to do etc.
                         
                        From our training material I remember Semco as an example company that used this model in hopes to avoid bankruptcy. They managed to do so. There’s even books about it.
                         
                         
                        I expect there to be others as well.
                         
                        Jesse
                         
                        Sent from my Windows 8 PC
                         
                        From: Ram Srinivasan <vasan.ram@...>
                        Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:21:43 PM
                        To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software
                         


                        Jean:

                        Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning's article


                        Ram

                        On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Rooney <daverooneyca@...> wrote:
                         

                        Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                        Dave...



                        On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:
                         
                         

                        I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                         

                        I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                         

                        --- Jean

                         

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                        Jean Richardson

                        Azure Gate Consulting

                        ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

                         

                        AzureGate.net

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                        Jean@...

                         

                         

                         

                         
                         

                         
                         



                         


                      • srinivas chillara
                        If all the above are true, what would it mean?  Kent Beck wrote that it took 50 years for Lean Manufacturing to become common practice.  Are we 15 years into
                        Message 11 of 14 , Jun 2, 2012
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                          If all the above are true, what would it mean?  Kent Beck wrote that it took 50 years for Lean Manufacturing to become common practice.  Are we 15 years into a 50-year adoption cycle?  Or are small organizations going to eat large organizations for lunch?
                          --mj

                          Hmmm interesting thought, but I suspect that the future and how the situation develops will be more complicated than that. Software dev I suspect has more variety than manufacturing (of course we could argue endlessly about this). However I think the manufacturers were more honest, they either changed their approach to lean or did not;;
                          In our industry so many pretend to be doing "agile", whatever that means. Scrum-but now more common than Scrum. So what will actually become mainstream?

                          cheers
                          Srinivas
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                        • Ron Jeffries
                          ... changed their approach to lean or did not;; Do you have any stats or reading to indicate that in manufacturing things actually went in this IS / IS NOT
                          Message 12 of 14 , Jun 2, 2012
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                            On Saturday, June 2, 2012, srinivas chillara wrote:


                            ... However I think the manufacturers were more honest, they either changed their approach to lean or did not;;

                            Do you have any stats or reading to indicate that in manufacturing things actually went in this IS / IS NOT fashion.

                            In our industry so many pretend to be doing "agile", whatever that means. Scrum-but now more common than Scrum. 

                            Do you have any stats or reading to indicate that Scrum-but is now more common than Scrum? 

                            So what will actually become mainstream?

                            It will be interesting to see what, if anything, does. Is Lean now mainstream? Do you have any stats ... 

                            Regards,

                            Ron


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                          • Jean Richardson
                            Yes, thanks, Michael for providing to me the other day the name of that South American company that starts with an S that I couldn t remember. I also have
                            Message 13 of 14 , Jun 2, 2012
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                              Yes, thanks, Michael for providing to me the other day the name of that South American company that starts with an “S” that I couldn’t remember.  I also have to concur with your post below, and it’s a fascinating state of affairs.  Some might be tempted to blame “management,” but, frankly, shifting the accountability and authority models in an organization cuts both ways.  I have run in to a number of cases where Team members do not want to step up to their part of the bargain, either.  We are deeply enculturated in the current paradigm, and accepting the burdens of true freedom of the sort intimated by Scrum is as shocking to most of us as  plunge in glacier melt.

                               

                              As you know, I’m doing a lot of research on this topic lately as I’m working with a couple of companies that are trying to step up to becoming team-based organizations, or at least more team-based than they are now. The examples I am aware of seem to disappear as I approach the details behind the story.  Among my sources, the point of view you portray below has come up repeatedly:  This will be a shift that takes a generation, even if all goes well.  Some sources point to two generations, which, I believe, is 50 years.

                               

                              And, yet, humans can be surprising.  The whole “tipping point” thing applies here.  Right now, we seem to see such a strong trend in top-down Scrum adoptions (which have their own problems) where previously Scrum was a counter-cultural movement.  But, still, the full reality of Scrum’s potential is often not realized.  We have to ask why that is.  The facts there seem to point to the notion that we are all—top to bottom in the organization—in this soup together, and mostly we stand around pointing fingers and turning up the heat on each other.  Our inability or unwillingness to all step up to the reality of things like cross-functional collaboration; dialogic thinking; double-loop learning; true accountability for quality; consequences as a learning tool; and personal mastery keep tripping us up. 

                               

                              There may be a surprising tipping point in the next few decades that will suddenly cause Scrum, or something very like it, to come into full bloom in organizations.  It’s not clear to me what will cause that, because current trends don’t seem to be a basis for forecasting that.  I still can’t get over the fact that the Scrum Alliance has moved its big annual conference to the Gaylord resort hotel format.  People who have worked their whole lives to be in positions of power and are rewarded with money and privilege as they work their way “up” can have a hard time stepping away from all that just because it’s the “right thing to do.”  Others who have handed over a lot of personal sovereignty as part of their employment agreement have similar issues to grapple with.  The learning from what has come to be called the new science isn’t spreading fast enough.  But when it finally does, that may be the thing that pushes us over the edge.  Maybe then we will all see our individual role in the collective pain even though it’s a jaw dropping problem to know where to begin remediating at the personal level and still have a life you want to live.  It’s been a strange journey for me, given that I was raised as and feel very comfortable with the notion of the destiny of the strong individual hacking aside the underbrush to cut a path to privilege and ascendancy which has been the definition of security as well as our right as masters of the universe.  ;)

                               

                              Time to go out and prune the roses.

                               

                              From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael James
                              Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:45 PM
                              To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                               

                               

                              Yeah, Jean's aware of Semco, one that typically comes up, and we've certainly been hearing a lot about Valve's employee handbook lately.  I suspect the reason we hear the same examples over and over is that there really aren't many examples of large organizations fully embracing the philosophy Jean describes yet.  Some of the others we hear about as success stories from the consultant or author's perspective turn out to be mirages according to people working there, or their future performance.  I'm reluctant to name them here, but you can probably think of three or four examples.  

                               

                              Many Scrum implementations are so compromised they come nowhere near Scrum's actual definitions.  Other cases of actual Scrum in large organizations are small islands cordoned off from the larger org's legacy practices.

                               

                              If all the above are true, what would it mean?  Kent Beck wrote that it took 50 years for Lean Manufacturing to become common practice.  Are we 15 years into a 50-year adoption cycle?  Or are small organizations going to eat large organizations for lunch?

                               

                              --mj

                              http://ScrumTrainingSeries.com

                               

                              On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Jesse Houwing wrote:



                               

                               

                              I think the means she’s looking for other organisations that use a similar orgizational model, so flat, everybody can decide where and what to do etc.

                               

                              From our training material I remember Semco as an example company that used this model in hopes to avoid bankruptcy. They managed to do so. There’s even books about it.

                               

                               

                              I expect there to be others as well.

                               

                              Jesse

                               

                              Sent from my Windows 8 PC

                               

                              From: Ram Srinivasan <vasan.ram@...>
                              Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:21:43 PM
                              To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                               

                               

                              Jean:

                               

                              Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning's article

                               

                               

                              Ram

                              On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Rooney <daverooneyca@...> wrote:

                               

                              Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                              Dave...

                               

                              On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                               

                               

                              I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                               

                              I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                               

                              --- Jean

                               

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                              Azure Gate Consulting

                              ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

                               

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                              If anyone missed my tweet, yesterday s Wall Street Journal had an article about this trend entitled Welcome to the Bossless Company. It mentions Valve (the
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                                If anyone missed my tweet, yesterday's Wall Street Journal had an article about this trend entitled "Welcome to the Bossless Company."  It mentions Valve (the videogame company), GE Aviation Division (where these practices have increased over the years), W.L. Gore and Associates (makers of GoreTex, where there are very few job titles), and GitHub.

                                http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303379204577474953586383604.html

                                --mj
                                http://ScrumTrainingSeries.com

                                On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Jean Richardson wrote:

                                 

                                Yes, thanks, Michael for providing to me the other day the name of that South American company that starts with an “S” that I couldn’t remember.  I also have to concur with your post below, and it’s a fascinating state of affairs.  Some might be tempted to blame “management,” but, frankly, shifting the accountability and authority models in an organization cuts both ways.  I have run in to a number of cases where Team members do not want to step up to their part of the bargain, either.  We are deeply enculturated in the current paradigm, and accepting the burdens of true freedom of the sort intimated by Scrum is as shocking to most of us as  plunge in glacier melt.

                                 

                                As you know, I’m doing a lot of research on this topic lately as I’m working with a couple of companies that are trying to step up to becoming team-based organizations, or at least more team-based than they are now. The examples I am aware of seem to disappear as I approach the details behind the story.  Among my sources, the point of view you portray below has come up repeatedly:  This will be a shift that takes a generation, even if all goes well.  Some sources point to two generations, which, I believe, is 50 years.

                                 

                                And, yet, humans can be surprising.  The whole “tipping point” thing applies here.  Right now, we seem to see such a strong trend in top-down Scrum adoptions (which have their own problems) where previously Scrum was a counter-cultural movement.  But, still, the full reality of Scrum’s potential is often not realized.  We have to ask why that is.  The facts there seem to point to the notion that we are all—top to bottom in the organization—in this soup together, and mostly we stand around pointing fingers and turning up the heat on each other.  Our inability or unwillingness to all step up to the reality of things like cross-functional collaboration; dialogic thinking; double-loop learning; true accountability for quality; consequences as a learning tool; and personal mastery keep tripping us up. 

                                 

                                There may be a surprising tipping point in the next few decades that will suddenly cause Scrum, or something very like it, to come into full bloom in organizations.  It’s not clear to me what will cause that, because current trends don’t seem to be a basis for forecasting that.  I still can’t get over the fact that the Scrum Alliance has moved its big annual conference to the Gaylord resort hotel format.  People who have worked their whole lives to be in positions of power and are rewarded with money and privilege as they work their way “up” can have a hard time stepping away from all that just because it’s the “right thing to do.”  Others who have handed over a lot of personal sovereignty as part of their employment agreement have similar issues to grapple with.  The learning from what has come to be called the new science isn’t spreading fast enough.  But when it finally does, that may be the thing that pushes us over the edge.  Maybe then we will all see our individual role in the collective pain even though it’s a jaw dropping problem to know where to begin remediating at the personal level and still have a life you want to live.  It’s been a strange journey for me, given that I was raised as and feel very comfortable with the notion of the destiny of the strong individual hacking aside the underbrush to cut a path to privilege and ascendancy which has been the definition of security as well as our right as masters of the universe.  ;)

                                 

                                Time to go out and prune the roses.

                                 

                                From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael James
                                Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:45 PM
                                To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                                 

                                 

                                Yeah, Jean's aware of Semco, one that typically comes up, and we've certainly been hearing a lot about Valve's employee handbook lately.  I suspect the reason we hear the same examples over and over is that there really aren't many examples of large organizations fully embracing the philosophy Jean describes yet.  Some of the others we hear about as success stories from the consultant or author's perspective turn out to be mirages according to people working there, or their future performance.  I'm reluctant to name them here, but you can probably think of three or four examples.  

                                 

                                Many Scrum implementations are so compromised they come nowhere near Scrum's actual definitions.  Other cases of actual Scrum in large organizations are small islands cordoned off from the larger org's legacy practices.

                                 

                                If all the above are true, what would it mean?  Kent Beck wrote that it took 50 years for Lean Manufacturing to become common practice.  Are we 15 years into a 50-year adoption cycle?  Or are small organizations going to eat large organizations for lunch?

                                 

                                --mj

                                http://ScrumTrainingSeries.com

                                 

                                On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Jesse Houwing wrote:



                                 

                                 

                                I think the means she’s looking for other organisations that use a similar orgizational model, so flat, everybody can decide where and what to do etc.

                                 

                                From our training material I remember Semco as an example company that used this model in hopes to avoid bankruptcy. They managed to do so. There’s even books about it.

                                 

                                 

                                I expect there to be others as well.

                                 

                                Jesse

                                 

                                Sent from my Windows 8 PC

                                 

                                From: Ram Srinivasan <vasan.ram@...>
                                Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 2:21:43 PM
                                To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] team-based orgs/Valve software

                                 

                                 

                                Jean:

                                 

                                Are you looking for the employee handbook ? If yes, you can find a link for that in Steve Denning's article

                                 

                                 

                                Ram

                                On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Dave Rooney <daverooneyca@...> wrote:

                                 

                                Not a case study per se, but Steve Denning wrote about Valve in his blog on Forbes back in April: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2012/04/27/a-glimpse-at-a-workplace-of-the-future-valve/

                                Dave...

                                 

                                On 30 May 2012 12:23, Jean Richardson <jean@...> wrote:

                                 

                                 

                                I have been doing research on team-based organizations trying to turn up enduring examples among mid- to large sized organizations.  There’s plenty of theoretical “how-to” out there.

                                 

                                I expect some of you may be aware of the Valve employee handbook being posted on the web.  Has anyone actually talked to Valve?  I’ve seen postings on the web that indicate the handbook is “real,” but when I was finally able to find a phone number for the organization, I was only able to get to voice mail at the terminus of all the working options in their automated attendant (some options were circular).  I’m beginning to think this org is visionary, but quite small.  Is anyone aware of a case study on Valve?

                                 

                                --- Jean

                                 

                                <image001.jpg>


                                Jean Richardson

                                Azure Gate Consulting

                                ~ Repatterning the Human Experience of Work

                                 

                                AzureGate.net

                                (503) 788-8998

                                Jean@...

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 



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