Re: [scrumdevelopment] Let's Stop Talking about User Stories (Re: Should I assign Story Points to bugs?
- Hello, Adam. On Friday, January 28, 2011, at 6:28:25 PM, you
> Actually, Ron has said that he thinks that bugs do go in the backlog,Yes, thank you. :)
> but that bugs are not the same thing as stories and should be treated
> much differently.
> My own opinion is that we should do our best to keep bugs out of theYes. Defects imply that something isn't done (and perhaps putting it
> backlog. The difficulty I have with accepting the premise that bugs go
> on the backlog is that we would first have to take something
> functional off the backlog that didn't really work. In other words,
> before the bug goes on the backlog something came off the backlog that
> was supposed to be done, but it wasn't really done because it had a
back is better than adding a defect in). Neither is good, Neither
should be business as usual in my opinion (and I'm sure you agree).
No one has said, quite, that it's business as usual. I feel that
some have gotten close.
> This means we have to accept that "done" PBIs can be partially correctYes. :)
> and therefore perhaps not valuable on their own. Such things could be
> PBIs, but they could not be stories. At best they are unfinished
> stories. I would rather treat such and item as an unfinished story
> until I was certain that it had no bugs rather than treating it as a
> "done" PBI plus newly found defects.
If you hear a voice within you say “you cannot paint,”
then by all means paint, and that voice will be silenced.
-- Vincent Van Gogh
Although, this is not Twitter. I really want to do a +1.>>It (and the length of this thread) is a great illustration of why I recommend that teams not get too wrapped up in estimation. They start looking for numerical precision, and that starts consuming the energy that could be put toward accomplish goals.
Echoes my thoughts completely. Won't have been able to put it better myself.