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Re: [scrumdevelopment] Re: Swarming, I just don't get it.

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  • ronjeffries@acm.org
    Mary Doria Russell said Wisdom begins when we learn the difference between That makes no sense , and I don t understand . Be that as it may, if your
    Message 1 of 62 , Jan 3, 2011
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      Mary Doria Russell said "Wisdom begins when we learn the difference between 'That makes no sense', and 'I don't understand'."

      Be that as it may, if your organization really doesn't want to ship very often, and you're happy with important things being in the sole hands of "experts", and so on, maybe you don't need any different approaches. I do wonder why you call yourself "Agile Jedi", but I suppose I could call myself Suzie if I wanted to.

      Why does your organization "highly recommend" Scrum? Is there something that they want that they aren't getting now? How do you propose to get it without doing new things?


      On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:28 PM, "agilejedi" <agilejedi@...> wrote:

      > Hello ronjeffries,
      > I am not interested in being convinced of swarming in the manner it has been first introduced to me because it doesn't make sense. Therefore I am looking for a better definition to see if that makes sense. Do you have one?
      > AJ
      > --- In scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
      >> Hello, agilejedi. On Monday, January 3, 2011, at 4:21:40 PM, you
      >> wrote:
      >>>> Does your team often get to the end of an iteration with more than one
      >>>> story unfinished? Then they will probably benefit from swarming. That
      >>>> simple.
      >>> So this is the new approach to address the issue of splitting up
      >>> tasks smaller and smaller? Now we don't have to split it up and do
      >>> the effort of splitting it up as if an individual were to work on
      >>> it. We just size it at a higher level and then the team split it
      >>> up when the get to it? So less planning?
      >> This reply suggests to me that you're not really interested in being
      >> convinced about swarming. Is that the case?
      >> Ron Jeffries
      >> www.XProgramming.com
      >> Accept your conditions, but not your fate. -- Rod Walsh & Dan Carrison
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    • Ron Jeffries
      Hello, Seyit. Very well put! Thanks! On Friday, January 7, 2011, at 6:17:36 AM, you ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Know what I pray for? The strength to
      Message 62 of 62 , Jan 7, 2011
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        Hello, Seyit.

        Very well put! Thanks!

        On Friday, January 7, 2011, at 6:17:36 AM, you

        > Wouldn't you think if team used swarming "in a right fashion" (what ever it
        > is):

        > 1. Majorty might learn how to read the syntax of generics,
        > 2. "The vocal, big mouthed, team idiot", might realize he's not the boss and
        > should get well with the whole team or he needs to get the .... out,
        > 3. The lesser mind can learn something from the better one.

        > My team doesn't use swarming and also I don't have any first hand experience
        > on that. But considering the examples you have, and definition of swarming,
        > it seems actually teams you describe might give it a try.

        > Proposition 1: Two minds are always better than one, if they are combined in
        > the right fashion. So you might be doing it wrong.
        > Proposition 2: Given two minds, it's not proven there exists a pattern to
        > find which one is better. So it doesn't matter if one is better than the
        > other.

        Ron Jeffries
        Know what I pray for? The strength to change what I can, the inability to
        accept what I can't and the incapacity to tell the difference. --Calvin and Hobbes
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